First five scripts of series eight leaked online

[Green Lantern]

The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!

Might as well get that other controversy resolved too... before running away cackling like a loon.

lol, she'll probably turn out to be the doctor's mother. That would explain why she's at the conception. Heck, why not have her name him either, or maybe she could even have raised him and the doctor's been lying to Clara by pretending to not recognise her. I wouldn't put anything past Moffat these days.

The episode that turned them into candy coloured humpbacked laughing-stocks that were quickly dumped and replaced by, what was it, oh yes, the RTD Daleks you mean?

And making the Time Lords into a evil bunch of psychopaths is far more in keeping with what they've been before then completely neutering them and hand-waving everything away as just a few bad apples at the top. (His determination to turn Time Lords/Gallifreyans into being basically indistinguishable from humans, which will go even further in "Listen", is particularly egregious.)

The only person shitting on Doctor Who is Moffat, though pissing on it to mark it as his own would be a more appropriate metaphor.

Indeed. Victory of the Daleks was a joke, probably the worst Dalek centric story of new who if not all who. The worst part were the flying spitfires which my father loved because he has the mind of the four year old from the 1950s....which he used to be.

Exactly, plus I like seeing their dark side, it suits them. Besides even if they weren't like that before, an extremely long war would drive the most noble of people to insanity. Especially if that war lasted for potentially thousands of years. Plus we saw their vindictive and darker side already in stories such as "A Trial of a Timelord", where even the doctor himself openly said Daleks and Cybermen were in the nursery compared with them.

Hear hear, Moffat's been wanking over the entire show since he started running it, and now it's not enough he's wanked over his respective era and got many stains on RTD who, but since around series 7 he's been arse-raping the entire 50 year run of the show.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I wasn't talking about the design, and you're being intentionally obtuse. The idea of Victory of the Daleks was that instead of being stuck in a Time Lock or hidden by the Time War or whatever shit was that now the Doctor knew the Daleks were back to their ways and he had no idea when they'd come back or where he'd meet them again.

And what were they doing in their next full story? Hanging around with a frigging Parliment and a Prime Minister (WTF?) and having to kidnap the Doctor because they were too useless to solve their own problem...

That or they kept count, realized he was on his last life, and were engineering elaborate death traps seeing as the direct approach hadn't worked.

 

[diankra]

I wasn't talking about the design, and you're being intentionally obtuse. The idea of Victory of the Daleks was that instead of being stuck in a Time Lock or hidden by the Time War or whatever shit was that now the Doctor knew the Daleks were back to their ways and he had no idea when they'd come back or where he'd meet them again.

Yep. Victory was very definitely meant as a way to re-establish the Daleks as a real threat, the way Dalek did five years earlier, but had inevitably been undermined by repeated defeats culminating in the Dodgem-car bits of Journey's End (I like it, but it does put them back in the laughable box they'd been too often in the 70/80s).
Unfortunately, the bodged construction of the new versions (the y were altered from the blueprints during construction, hence the hump) rather messed that up, even if the colour scheme hadn't already been enough to do that.

 

[Green Lantern]

The Daleks were already threatening enough before Victory, Moffat just made them the subject to numerous toilet and teletubby jokes. Poor little Moffat though, he got most of his inspiration from the 60s films, he doesn't even like the daleks much. So he just did what he slightly preferred or he purposely aimed to ruin the daleks for a while so he wouldn't have to use them as much.

I can also see a tiny bit of inspiration from the 60s Dalek comics, seeing they used elaborate designs and unusual ideas, so that's probably the inspiration for the parliament and hidden world shit, a shame it rubbed off on screen so badly. If only there was more explanation then it may not have been as painful to watch.

IMO, I think the jumbo Daleks could have worked if they weren't inspired by a packet of skittles, have those utterly pointless flesh eyes (why did they need them, the stalks are basically cameras, so they flesh eyes of anything would be a weakness) and a few other things neatened out.

Spoiler: Fan Art

Yes, if done similar to this then it could have worked. Personally though my ideal Dalek would be the 2005 RTD Daleks but in the boltgun grey and black that the 70s and 80s Daleks had.

 

[Green Lantern]

A mate of mine has just given a possible explanation for the doctor being a complete asshole throughout the series, something I can't believe I've forgotten about. Maybe this is the start of the Valeyard's appearance? You can't out rule anything in Doctor Who these days.

Still, not a sensible explanation for some of the shit we get with the fourth episode though.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

The Doctor being 'dark' is really something that's happened with all the Doctors.

-The first Doctor started out fairly sinister, before lightening up.

-The Second Doctor was at times manipulative such as in Tomb Of The Cybermen.

-Pertwee was often a jerk to UNIT and early on tried to get off Earth instead of helping them out.

-Tom Baker at times was also manipulative and unsympathetic, such as in "Pyramid Of Mars" regarding the deaths of the Scarman bros. (and even having Sarah Jane end up disgusted with his detachment). He also was very manipulative in "Invasion of Time" (Although he seems to have forgotten that adventure at the end)

-Peter Davison's final season features him (and the series) becoming more violent, something that causes Tegan to leave.

-The Sixth of course has been extensively covered.

-The Seventh, at least in his later stories, was often manipulative and distant, especially to his companion Ace. Plus the whole destruction of Skaro thing.

-We didn't really see too much of Eighth but the novels/audios and certainly Night Of The Doctor hint at some darkness and anger.

-The War Doctor and Ninth of course were pretty damaged from the Time War, and the latter was often disturbed and angry.


-Tennant of course had an ego, sometimes went too far, and of course the "Time Lord Victorious" stuff...

-Even Smith had his dark moments such as dealing with his 'death'.

-Then of course there's the semi-incarnations The Valeyard and The Dream Lord who are amalgamations of the Doctor's dark side.

Although I haven't read the scripts at all, the Doctor origin story does seem a bit too much, and sort of reminds me of what RTD did with the Master. While I've enjoyed Jacobi and even Simm's versions of the character, the 'drums' explanation for his madness (as well as the flashback) I thought was too much of a retcon (Especially since nothing like it was ever mentioned in the original series).

 

[Mister Fandango]

I, for one, am absolutely outraged that time travel and potential paradoxes thereof play any part in Doctor Who! How dare Moffatt include such things, especially regarding such a stable and utterly linear character like the Doctor who never, ever, ever had important events occur in his life courtesy of the companions he's chosen.

Someone should track him down and stab him in the face! Especially since Moffatt, and Moffatt alone, is the only person to ever even conceive of such ludicrous ideas!

 

[Green Lantern]

There's dark then there's just......bad, and this is coming from me. But you know what, there might be several episodes which are not too bad.

I too feel the drums thing was not needed, a bit weird, especially seeing he's never mentioned it before and now with Tennant it's all he ever talked about.

 

[Green Lantern]

I, for one, am absolutely outraged that time travel and potential paradoxes thereof play any part in Doctor Who! How dare Moffatt include such things, especially regarding such a stable and utterly linear character like the Doctor who never, ever, ever had important events occur in his life courtesy of the companions he's chosen.

Someone should track him down and stab him in the face!

Stop, just, stop. You should leave.

 

[Mister Fandango]

Why? Because I happen to disagree with your mindless ranting about what's effectively been core concepts of the show since long before Moffatt took over? I guess the truth really does hurt sometimes.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Also revealing too much about the Doctor's past kind of spoils the title's question-"Doctor Who?" Granted, a lot has been revealed over the years, that he's a renegade time lord and all that, although the McCoy era did try in part to even put that into doubt (Well, in Rememberance of the Daleks and Silver Nemesis at least, as well as the New Adventures novels). The new series has added a bit to that in both eras, but I think this new tact could be too much.

 

[Green Lantern]

Yes.

 

[Candlelight]

Why? Because I happen to disagree with your mindless ranting about what's effectively been core concepts of the show since long before Moffatt took over? I guess the truth really does hurt sometimes.

Moffat is ok if he does stand alone episodes, but when he comes to trying his hand at story arcs he doesn't plan them well, or he does them ok for a season but wants to start fresh with something else the following year, which usually leaves a lot unresolved (or poorly wrapped up in a hurry).

At least RTD wrapped his story arcs up within a season, and not have them spread over virtually an entire lead actor's tenure. Not that I want this to devolve into an RTD/Moffat war but I think it's time we had a new producer.

 

[Samurai8472]

The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!

^
Hey! BBC execs! This guy has the Christmas special script! Get him!

I want to see if Moffat is willing to go farther.

The birth of the doctor and getting The Doctor's parents together.

Let's turn Clara in Marty McFly

 

[The Wormhole]

The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!

^
Hey! BBC execs! This guy has the Christmas special script! Get him!

I want to see if Moffat is willing to go farther.

The birth of the doctor and getting The Doctor's parents together.

Let's turn Clara in Marty McFly

Are we sure Clara isn't the Doctor's mother? Could explain the half-human on his mother's side thing...

 

[diankra]

The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!

^
Hey! BBC execs! This guy has the Christmas special script! Get him!

I want to see if Moffat is willing to go farther.

The birth of the doctor and getting The Doctor's parents together.

Let's turn Clara in Marty McFly

Been done. Dontcha know that, according to the New Adventures, Leela is the Doctor's mother?

 

[Candlelight]

The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!

Let's turn Clara in Marty McFly

Clara becomes Susan's Grandmother.

Everyone rolls in their graves.

(I wouldn't blame the Doctor. Dodgy old bastard but I still wouldn't blame him.)

 

[Mitty]

STOP ASKING FOR OR OFFERING TO SEND THESE SCRIPTS. Any further attempts will result in a one-week ban.

How about closing this thread and banning all discussion of the scripts. The damage is done, but TrekBBS could at least help to limit the impact.

 

[Cutter John]

Well, I'm not going to stick around this tread since I don't want the new series spoiled. But let me see if I have the gist of it. The people who've enjoyed Who lately think it sounds promising, or are willing to just wait and see. The ones who thought Eleven was the worst thing ever and who think Moffet is the devil absolutely hate the new Doctor and the new series.

Is that pretty much it?

 

[Starkers]

Well, I'm not going to stick around this tried since I don't want the new series spoiled. But let me see if I have the gist of it. The people who've enjoyed who lately think it sounds promising, or are willing to wait and see. The ones who thought Eleven was the worst thing ever and who think Moffet is the devil absolutely hate the new Doctor and the new series.

Is that pretty much it?

Yup same old broken records I'm afraid.