Finally Watching Discovery - Was I Supoosed to Hate This?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Mysterion, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. fireproof78

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    I'm not sure I want it to. I don't want it to be like all the dramas out there in contemporary TV.
     
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  2. Mirror Mirror

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    Disagree, I can watch DSC over and over and enjoy it. TNG season one other than maybe 2 or 3 I would be happy never to see it again
     
  3. ralph

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    I think DSC season one was better than STNG season one.
     
  4. F. King Daniel

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    Is the UK Netflix version is censored? Because while there was a little more blood a gore than in Treks past, it's nothing like Saw and calling it "violence porn" is really surprising. Everything we see fits into the story, whether it's mangled corpses on the USS Glenn, or Ash's PTSD/surgery flashbacks. Nothing seen felt gratuitous to me. Klingon boob was the most surprising personally, but even that was barely glimpsed and organic to the scene.

    Each to their own, I guess.
     
  5. Noname Given

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    Are you kidding? Compared to TNG season 1 - there are way less flaws. :)
     
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  6. Mirror Mirror

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    DSC is pretty much the best season one post TOS. Its far from perfect, but its a solid season one.
     
  7. BillJ

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    This. From what I've seen of the show, it is pretty tame by modern standards. Heck, it really isn't much beyond what we saw in "Conspiracy".
     
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  8. Mirror Mirror

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    To be blunt, compared to some of the stuff from DS9, it was pretty tame. I did not think it very graphic at all,Americans never have an issue with blood and death, the thing that upset most people were the F word and a 1 second Klingon tit.
     
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  9. Refuge

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    Not for me it wasn't, it was the weakest I've seen and I do stress that from my point of view. I put a lot of weight on enjoyment. So although I could pull Next Generation to pieces especially the acting in Season One, it had a much more adventurous feel. It was new Trek and it was exciting.

    You know though? I'm glad people like Discovery and I'm hanging on in there. I like the previews of the coming Season.
     
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  10. Mirror Mirror

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    Sure, its simply a matter of taste. for me, TNG season one is too rough. VOY and ENT super rough too.
     
  11. Lord Garth

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    I can't get through TNG S1. I've tried re-watching it three times since 2011 and each time I gave up. I can't do it.

    As much as I don't like ENT, at least I could get through it when I binged the series. So what does that say about TNG Season 1?

    I watched DSC S1 four times.
     
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  12. Serveaux

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    I saw about half of it. It was not.
     
  13. Mirror Mirror

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    You maybe one of the six people who liked season one of TNG lol
     
  14. Vger23

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    Regardless of what the vocal, relentless 1%ers are saying, the most common opinion in fandom and in general is that DSC's first season was good, not great by any stretch, but good. And certainly better than any other S1 since TOS.

    If the traditional direction holds, S2 will be a considerable improvement. Everything we've seen so far would seem to indicate as such.

    I'm personally glad for the imperfections. They are the result of the fact that they took risks with the show. Some paid off and some didn't. I am infinitely glad they took those risks though. I could not deal with yet another Trek show tied to the same old formula that we saw in VOY, ENT and now have in an even further diluted form on FOX.

    It was time for a different format. Different tone. Different content. They took some risks, and experienced some growing pains. I can give a TON of leeway because at least they frigging tried. It just needs to continue to get better. But, if it had been yet another "anomaly of the week" show with an obligatory "shields/hull plating at 70%" battle at the end, or a reset button...I would have checked out after about 5 episodes.

    Which is pretty much what I did with VOY and ENT.

    At least this maintained my interest throughout. Yeah, there were a few bogus moments that made my eyebrow raise quizzically, but I'll take that over utter boredom or random dick jokes any day.
     
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  15. eschaton

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    While it's not anywhere near as good as the later seasons, DS9's first season is fine. It famously did what no other Trek besides TOS did, and managed to put out one of the best Trek episodes of all time (Duet) in the first season. But even leaving that aside it had a good pilot and several above average episodes (Past Prologue, Battle Lines, Progress, In the Hands of the Prophets). There were maybe only a half-dozen true stinkers. The biggest flaw was that many of the plots were transparently recycled TNG reject scripts, but still, it was the second-best first season of Trek.
     
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  16. Mirror Mirror

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    Yeah, But those count. I love DS9, its the best trek IMO, but if they had cut out those weak recycled ones, it would the the strongest period. I think that is why to me, and many others it is stronger. It just had 15 episodes and no real filler. It had some week ones, but was over all a focused season.

    Hands down however Ds9 is better than TNG, VOY and ENT. There is not even an argument to be had IMO.
     
  17. Vger23

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    I love DS9...in ways it rivals TOS a bit. But I totally disagree that S1 of DS9 was "fine." It was really fucking dreadful. I stopped watching DS9 about 12 episodes in when it first aired because S1 was so incredibly uninteresting. And that's after I LOVED the pilot episode (still do...in fact I love "The Emissary" so much, I believe it would have been successful as it's own singular release.)

    Even now, I can't watch it. If I go for a rewatch, I usually find an excuse to just skip it. Even VOY and ENT had better freshman seasons, and that's saying a lot.
     
  18. Mirror Mirror

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    I have not watched it in many years, so it might be a bit of rose tinting involved.
     
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  19. eschaton

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    I dunno. Maybe it's just harder to judge DIS because of its heavy serialization. But I feel like while it's true there's nothing as bad as Move Along Home in the first season, there's certainly nothing as good as Duet either. I'd rate my favorite two DIS first season episodes (Madness... and Into the Forest I Go) as basically solid Bs - good but not great. Conversely, I'd rate the worst of the episodes as no worse than Cs. So, at least for me, not really all that different in average quality from DS9's first season, but with less fluctuation.
     
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    Does there have to be?