Fifth Movie

[cultcross]

Personally I choose to enjoy the wealth that the ST universe has to offer. Everything has a high water mark and it may be that time has passed by what we all knew as Star Trek -- at least in that form / format . It may well need to change with the times to find an audience. Unfortunately, ST may never enjoy the popularity it once had.

Agreed. I think if Star Trek is to appeal again in the way it once did, it will have to fundamentally change its approach, tone, and writing style. People will say "that's not Star Trek!" but they said that about TNG, too. The TNG era changed pretty fundamentally what the TOS era was all about, and that could happen again. The mistake that was made was not even making too many trips to that well, but making them long after the rest of the entertainment industry had moved on. Enterprise was competing with contemporaries like Battlestar Galactica that were redefining what Sci-fi could do and be about while Archer and co repeated TNG stories with different named aliens.

New Star Trek must appeal to the audience in front of it today, not the audience of Encounter at Farpoint. A 5th TNG movie, or another series from the same mold as VOY or ENT would not be a success, any more than the TOS movies would still be making money if they'd carried on any further into the cast's dotage. Network executives are ridiculed for wanting things that are 'fresh and edgy' but fundamentally they have a point - if a new Star Trek TV show is to work, it has to work in the fall lineup for 2016, not 1986.

 

[Dukhat]

okay, if we're going to play that game....

I like TOS the least. I relate to it the least. All five series are great, but I go TNG-ENT-DS9-VOY-TOS

And it's REALLY hard with the top three.... but I'd set it at that order.

No one's playing a game. You've made it clear what you like, and others have made it clear that they don't agree with your opinions.

People will like what they like, and will have opinions different from yours. But I'm sure you already know that.

 

[Garak]

I cried at the unnecessary death of my 2nd favorite character in the series finale, so yeah.

 

[BillJ]

I cried at the unnecessary death of my 2nd favorite character in the series finale, so yeah.

Nothing wrong with you forming a connection with a character. But, Enterprise was never embraced by a large enough audience to matter. A huge part of that, is that people and TV moved on while Star Trek remained static, stuck in a 1987 frame of mind.

I think it was a very hit or miss show.

 

[AdmiralBruno]

I cried at the unnecessary death of my 2nd favorite character in the series finale, so yeah.

Yes, real funny when such a cool person and talented engineer dies tragically... that's sick. Not to mention leaving his love behind.

 

[Kor]

In real life, sick things happen.

Talented and cool people die senselessly and tragically, and I think it was good of Trek to finally acknowledge this with a character that viewers cared about, without being followed by a big reset button that made everything OK again (unless you count the novels in which Trip was secretly still alive and worked covert missions for Starfleet Intelligence, IIRC).

Kor

 

[AdmiralBruno]

Are the novels considered canon though? Or are we talking SW soft-canon?

 

[Garak]

I cried at the unnecessary death of my 2nd favorite character in the series finale, so yeah.

Yes, real funny when such a cool person and talented engineer dies tragically... that's sick. Not to mention leaving his love behind.

 

[Kor]

Are the novels considered canon though? Or are we talking SW soft-canon?

They aren't considered canon by the producers and writers of live-action Trek.

But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy them. Many of the novels have very good stories. And that's more important than being "canon" or not.

Either way, I think it would have been better if Trip had stayed dead in the novels.

Kor

 

[AdmiralBruno]

no trip dying was stupid and insulting

Hoshi should've died. always hated her

 

[JesterFace]

In real life, sick things happen.

Talented and cool people die senselessly and tragically, and I think it was good of Trek to finally acknowledge this with a character that viewers cared about, without being followed by a big reset button that made everything OK again (unless you count the novels in which Trip was secretly still alive and worked covert missions for Starfleet Intelligence, IIRC).

Kor

In real life, yes, bad things happen, a lot, but does it have to happen in television and movies? I say no, entertainment is a little escape from this life, people don't have to die for no reason if it's scripted. Killing characters is just a lame and easy way to create tension on TV series and movies, poor writing...

 

[Campe]

no trip dying was stupid and insulting

Hoshi should've died. always hated her

So, just because you didn't like a character, you think that character should die?

Let me point something out: Trip was obviously a very important character to you. You mentioned his death moved you, right? Well then, the death did it's job. You were moved. His character meant something to you and his death affected you. All I have to say is (and I can't believe I'm saying this): Well done, Berman and Braga for moving AdmiralBruno to tears!

Deaths are sometimes unnecessary. Bad things happen to good people and those that care about them mourn. That's life. If a TV character's death affects you to that point, more power to you.

Me? By the end, I just didn't care.

 

[AdmiralBruno]

I also cried in the episode with the alternate timeline where humans are left with only a small colony and a few ships to guard them and Archer is hooking up with Trips' woman. It's a very sad episode.

 

[BillJ]

I also cried in the episode with the alternate timeline where humans are left with only a small colony and a few ships to guard them and Archer is hooking up with Trips' woman. It's a very sad episode.

Meh.

I was all Trekked out by that point. 650 episodes will do that to a person.

 

[Kor]

I second that "meh."

Kor

 

[Mudd]

I enjoyed Enterprise more than the previous two series, particularly for the characters.

It was not, however, a successful series.

 

[Campe]

I second that "meh."

Kor

Meh thirded.

 

[Karzak]

I enjoyed Enterprise more than the previous two series, particularly for the characters.

It was not, however, a successful series.

Indeed. Especially upon rewatching all the various Trek series, I found Enterprise, while suffering from significant and obvious flaws, was much better than I remembered and also had aged quite well -- better than, say, DS9 even.

In short, I feel Enterprise gets an undue amount of shit from fans largely because it had the misfortune of coming last. Some of the criticism is not unwarranted or unfair, but the larger negative perception and opinion of it most certainly is.

 

[BigJake]

ENT was largely awful and entirely deserved the shit it got for my money; its chosen leads just weren't up to the task of carrying it, for one thing (much as I love Scott Bakula). Killing Trip was one of the best things ENT did, IMO, not on account of hating Trip (though I wasn't fond of him) but on account of the way it was done -- as the kind of random, unjust death that often ends the stories of famous people in messy old life. But then I think characters dying (and staying dead) without fanfare and Enormous Drama was something that should have happened more in Trek just generally.

 

[JesterFace]

ENT was largely awful and entirely deserved the shit it got for my money; its chosen leads just weren't up to the task of carrying it, for one thing. Killing Trip was one of the best things ENT did, IMO, not on account of hating Trip (though I wasn't fond of him) but on account of the way it was done -- as the kind of random, unjust death that often ends the stories of famous people in messy old life. But then I think characters dying (and staying dead) without fanfare and Enormous Drama was something that should have happened more in Trek just generally.

Death happens enough around the world all the time and when you watch the news, there are a lot stories about death... Entertainment doesn't need it!