Poll Favorite Character?

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Captain Kathryn Janeway, without doubt. Yes, she was far to be perfect but she was all the more endearing to me, especially her loyalty to her crew & principles (even if she was ready to make some sprains settlement, when deemed necessary) somehow.

In fact, this character (and her performer, Kate Mulgrew) was the only reason for which I kept watching the series until the end.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Yes of course, there are Seven, Kes, Tuvok, Neelix & Tom Paris (the one from first seasons because right the moment he will enter in a romantic relationship with B'Elena, he will become boring) too but, once Janeway definitively out, other characters mentioned, as sympathetic as they were, would not have managed to make me stay in front of the television, to continue watching the show.
(besides, I can say that the producers had to think the same thing in view of the efforts made to prevent the actress from leaving, in s5!)

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Power hungry?

That could be a GREAT flaw for Kes, if it had actually been used as such.

Honestly, Kes had such potential to be interesting on paper. And while I complain about her being a "Mary Sue" at times, I think really, the writers just never cared about Kes in her own right, and instead just used her as a tool for other characters, which is why she came off so flawless and perfect.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I meant as in *powers hungry

She wants to explore and expand her powers, and it takes her down a dark path.

I can't think of any major character flaws for her. Maybe naive, but that's not treated as a flaw for her, like it sometimes for Ensign Kim, or the Doctor.

She's curious, optimistic, compassionate when others fail to be, a free spirit, Janeway adores her, As does Neelix, and maybe Paris. The Doctor adores her(and maybe secretly in love with her, as per "projections")

Towards the end of her time on the show, she becomes increasingly independent, and more powerful.

If only she'd actually had to struggle for that power....

Anyway, I feel like disclaimer-ing here: while I have a LOT of Kes-related grievances to nerd-rage about, there is really no "Star Trek" character I genuinely hate, except Jonathan Archer.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

There's only one Mary sue in Star Trek, and they're only a part time Mary sue anyway.

Wesley Crusher.

Edit: There may actually be another character more in common with Mary Sue than even Wesley Crusher, but I definitely won't name them.

...Michael Burnam?

 

[Greg Cox]

...Michael Burnam?

As I understand the term, a Mary Sue is a writer-surrogate who is perfect at everything and who everybody admires and falls in love with. Not sure that applies to a flawed and disgraced officer who is regarded as a pariah by much of the galaxy . . . ..

 

[STEPhon IT]

I'm not trolling but I have to state that Seven actually fits the description of a Mary Sue.
She could do anything from saving the ship, bringing people back from the dead and repair the warp core to fix Janeway's malfunctioning hairdryer.

But of course, she should have been in the poll. I think the OP just made a mistake.

Very true, and also it seemed those nano thingese in her body could practically cure and solved a lot of medical issues on the series.

 

[STEPhon IT]

That could be a GREAT flaw for Kes, if it had actually been used as such.

Honestly, Kes had such potential to be interesting on paper. And while I complain about her being a "Mary Sue" at times, I think really, the writers just never cared about Kes in her own right, and instead just used her as a tool for other characters, which is why she came off so flawless and perfect.

Oh, come on? Kes??? A mary sue??? Not even close.

 

[Lynx]

You're not who I was referring to when I talked about a Troll.

But either way, Seven's entire character revolved around her having to learn from other characters and earn their trust. Every Seven-focused episode revolved around her having someone else prove her wrong about something important about her humanity, or morality in general. Virtually every Seven episode ended with Seven learning she was wrong about something ,weak in some area, and needed others help in some way.

Out of curiosity, what personality flaws and weaknesses did Kes possess?

I know that you didn't you didn't refer to me in your previous post but I just wanted to be sure that you wouldn't take my post about a Mary Sue as trolling.

As for Kes, maybe she was too nice and kind sometimes which made her a victim for evil forces, first Tanis, then Tieran. Maybe she also should have put down her foot earkllier when it came to Neelix and his jealousy and over-protection of her. Now it took three years before she did that and then she was under the influence of Tieran.

I meant as in *powers hungry

She wants to explore and expand her powers, and it takes her down a dark path.

I can't think of any major character flaws for her. Maybe naive, but that's not treated as a flaw for her, like it sometimes for Ensign Kim, or the Doctor.

She's curious, optimistic, compassionate when others fail to be, a free spirit, Janeway adores her, As does Neelix, and maybe Paris. The Doctor adores her(and maybe secretly in love with her, as per "projections")

Towards the end of her time on the show, she becomes increasingly independent, and more powerful.

"Powers hungry" isn't the right words here, curious is more fitting.

She knew that the ancient Ocampa had certain powers and she wanted to know more about them. But like so many others who are meddling with things they don't know about, her curiosity caused some problems for her. So maybe we can add her curiosity as a certain weakness or flaw as well.

 

[Lynx]

Oh, come on? Kes??? A mary sue??? Not even close.

Kes was never a Mary Sue. If she had been she would have had a more prominent role in the first three seasons.

 

[φ of π]

I'm kinda glad you missed Seven of Nine, because I love both her and Kes equally. Having both of them in your poll would have a total "Buridan's Donkey" situation for me.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Kes was never a Mary Sue. If she had been she would have had a more prominent role in the first three seasons.

Absolutely, Kes, to me, was the perfect character for new audiences of Star Trek to represent. Her view of this world was as fresh and new to the new viewer; she's learning at the same time as the new viewer is as well. I loved the 9 year lifespan concept something I felt should've been explored more.

During the 4th-7th season Seven of Nine was integral to most of the plotlines on Voyager and she appeared better than the cast besides Janeway, and EMH. The trolling comment is absurd, it's not as if I said Harry Kim or Engineer Carey was infallible. Good lord, are some trying to say Seven of Nine doesn't have merit to be labelled as a Mary Sue??? And to say I haven't watched the show??? WOW!!!

 

[Xhiandra]

As I understand the term, a Mary Sue is a writer-surrogate who is perfect at everything and who everybody admires and falls in love with. Not sure that applies to a flawed and disgraced officer who is regarded as a pariah by much of the galaxy . . . ..

But still repeatedly hyped by other characters as "the best at X", the "only one who can do Y",... her only flaws are moral, but those usually don't count when considering "Mary Sue"-ness.
She's Rodney McKay (from Stargate Atlantis) if Rodney was brave and an expert in martial arts as well as his usual near-omniscient self.
Burnham definitely has Mary Sue tendencies.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

But still repeatedly hyped by other characters as "the best at X", the "only one who can do Y",... her only flaws are moral, but those usually don't count when considering "Mary Sue"-ness.
She's Rodney McKay (from Stargate Atlantis) if Rodney was brave and an expert in martial arts as well as his usual near-omniscient self.
Burnham definitely has Mary Sue tendencies.

I don't recall Seven being considered the "best" at anything other than astrometrics and Borg-related information. She was certainly never anyone's first choice for piloting, engineering, command or medicine.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Kes was never a Mary Sue. If she had been she would have had a more prominent role in the first three seasons.

This is a fair point.

She often comes off as "Mary Sue"- ish to me because of her lack of weaknesses and flaws, BUT, like you said, it's not like that earned her much of a spotlight most of the time. More than likely, her lack of flaws came from the writers being more interested in using her as an idealistic thing for the male characters to fight over, and her "mysterious" powers made convenient deus ex machinas.

Trance Gemini over in "Andromeda" is basically everything Kes could and should have been, IMO.

 

[Prax]

Burnham isn't immoral! She's disobedient, yes, but usually it's because she has the solution, and has to disobey orders to get the job done.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Burnham isn't immoral! She's disobedient, yes, but usually it's because she has the solution, and has to disobey orders to get the job done.

I haven't seen STD so I have no opinion on it (though I love the abbreviation because I'm very mature). But, I've heard people accuse Michael of being a Mary Sue for her Spock-related backstory or something like that. Not saying I agree with that sentiment one way or the other though.

 

[Xhiandra]

I don't recall Seven being considered the "best" at anything other than astrometrics and Borg-related information. She was certainly never anyone's first choice for piloting, engineering, command or medicine.

I was speaking of Burnham, not Seven. I agree with you about Seven.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I was speaking of Burnham, not Seven. I agree with you about Seven.

My bad!

Burnham I have no opinion about.

 

[Lynx]

I haven't seen STD so I have no opinion on it (though I love the abbreviation because I'm very mature). But, I've heard people accuse Michael of being a Mary Sue for her Spock-related backstory or something like that. Not saying I agree with that sentiment one way or the other though.

I started to lose interest in STD as soon as I read that it would be another retro series.
My immediate thought: Another lame attempt to cash in on TOS.

I definitely lost interest when I saw the trailer and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Klingons showed up.
My immediate thought: Another stupid producer who tries to put his mark on the product by screwing up established Trek things.

I haven't bothered to watch it and I doubt I ever will.