Alba being super hot was the whole point I think because isn't Sue Storm supposed to be the hottest woman in the Marvel universe? Everybody that meets her seems to lust after her, from Doom to Moleman to Namor. They all fight for her affections, so Sue has got to be something worth all these guys fighting over her. Alba at time fit that bill. Sure she can't act but does Sue ever say anything more than "Yes, Dear.", "I love you, Reed!" or "Johnny, knock it off!!" in the comics? Sue Storm was never a character I'd call multifaceted.
Wholeheartedly agree.. Alba as Sue Storm was just miscast.
I literally drooled when i saw her dance in Sin City (you know the scene) but i also literally cringed each time they had her end up in her undies or totally naked and THEN fail her power and appear. That was cheap and unworthy of the FF.. this and similar things about FF is why i don't like them that much.
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^I wouldn't say that, John Bryne developed her quite well.
One writer after how many decades FF comics published?
Good for Bryne but in the larger scheme of things, IMO that isn't saying much. I also don't see it influenced other mediums that featured the FF.
Sue is still repesented as Reeds arm accessory trophy wife.
Depends what version of Susan Storm one is working from. The mainstream Invisible Woman is basically a glorified damsel in distress and housewife with, I think, only a high school education. But when she was first introduced in the first film, Doom said she was a director of genetic research (or something to that effect), which seemed to call back to the Ultimate version of the character where she is a prodigy biologist--not at Reed's level of cross-disciplinary brilliance, but a genius in her own right (and, as far as I'm concerned, a far better partner for Reed for being able to interact with him intellectually). It made sense to me that they would go in this direction, more in tune with the sensibilities of modern audience and less of that creepy 'Father Knows Best' vibe the old FF had going. But the film seemed to forget that they had established Storm as a scientist almost as soon as they had done so, and she spent the rest of the film playing the typical beset-upon nurturer.
The less said about her characterization in the second film, the better.
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The less said about her characterization in the second film, the better.
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Alba being super hot was the whole point I think because isn't Sue Storm supposed to be the hottest woman in the Marvel universe? Everybody that meets her seems to lust after her, from Doom to Moleman to Namor. They all fight for her affections, so Sue has got to be something worth all these guys fighting over her. Alba at time fit that bill. Sure she can't act but does Sue ever say anything more than "Yes, Dear.", "I love you, Reed!" or "Johnny, knock it off!!" in the comics? Sue Storm was never a character I'd call multifaceted.
Wholeheartedly agree.. Alba as Sue Storm was just miscast.
I literally drooled when i saw her dance in Sin City (you know the scene
True. If you have read Sue as written by Stan Lee, Alba actually nailed the part. As a reader who has read the FF for over 35 years and has read nearly every issue and counts the series as one of his favorites, the only problem I had with Alba's performance and casting was the online fanboys bitching about it. She was fine in the role. So what if she wore a wig and contacts? It is frakking Hollywood! Suspend your disbelief and quit your nitpicking for nitpicking's sake.
As to Jackman's being right for the role of Wolverine, BULLSHIT! It is obvious that Jackman gave Singer a stiffy, and he stuck him in the gay uniform of all black leather to boot. The guy was about a foot and a half too tall and not nearly hairy enough. He is supposed to look like a human wolverine, a vicious animal, not one of Hollywood's most beautiful and People's sexiest man in the world.
Um... no. They left Galactus undefined because the idea was to spin the Surfer off to his own movie and Story didn't want to tie the hands of the director of that movie by having a look already established for him.
And BTW, the "Nimbus Cloud" effect for Galactus WAS taken from the comics. And if you look closely at it, you can see the shadow of Galactus' helmet within it.
IMO, the Fantastic Four movies were fine. They adhered to the source material better than the X-Men franchise did. They got the interrelations between the team fine, particularly Ben and Johnny. I would have wished they had the original version of Doctor Doom. But considering it was done by Fox, I think we were lucky to get it as good as we got. The only way I think it could get better is if Fox let the rights lapse and Marvel Studios took over and filmed FF#s 1 & 4 as Stan and Jack wrote them.
Actually, in a lot of relevant ways, this movie was a lot truer to the Fantastic Four source material than either of the big-budget productions. Dr. Doom was played gloriously over the top and cheesy. In other words, perfectly. The family dynamic was prevailent and the origin was a lot closer to what it should have been.
That said, I don't really mind the two big-budget movies. They're not great, but certainly better than Catwoman, Daredevil (Even the Director's Cut), Elektra, Batman and Robin, the original Punisher (with Dolph Lundgren!) or some others I could mention.
You want a really bad super-hero movie? There is a Captain America movie that was never released in theaters but shown on TV. They turned the Red Skull into an Italian, and Cap's mask...? *shudders involunterilay** Those ears, those ears....
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What's wrong with premise? Explorers accidently get super powers; media treat them as celebrities.
It's harder to get wrong than right.
Roy Thomas got it, too. And DeFalco was pretty good.
The movie wasn't bad, but made a few mistakes, such as Doom inventing the things that Reed invented in the main continuity, and Doom's armor being a "power."
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Which made her portrayal by Alba a step UP for the character, as she was a scientist/businesswoman in her own right.
I was split on the Fantastic Four. I thought Alba and Mr. Hornblower were badly miscast, but Chiklis and Johnny were spot on.
My real problem with the movie was their Doctor Doom, and not just the changes to his origins. I knew they were in trouble when I saw Julian McMahon at WonderCon, it quickly became clear that the guy isn't really an actor at all, he actually is his character form Nip-Tuck. I didn't believe him for a second as Doom, or anything else.
Now having said that, I think it's a little rotten for them to reboot the whole thing. Give the actors a better script and recast Doom, and you might be able to salvage something. But a reboot will just confuse people, and a "Dark take on it" will only further damage the property's value.
My real problem with the movie was their Doctor Doom, and not just the changes to his origins. I knew they were in trouble when I saw Julian McMahon at WonderCon, it quickly became clear that the guy isn't really an actor at all, he actually is his character form Nip-Tuck. I didn't believe him for a second as Doom, or anything else.
Now having said that, I think it's a little rotten for them to reboot the whole thing. Give the actors a better script and recast Doom, and you might be able to salvage something. But a reboot will just confuse people, and a "Dark take on it" will only further damage the property's value.
One of the main reasons that live-action comic-book movies are never anywhere near as good as the comics is that they're too "down to Earth" (concepts such as Watchmen notwithstanding). Comics exist in a Universe that is colorful and bombastic and over-the-top. Mainstreaming the magic out of them to make them appealing to Mundanes is not only stupid, but unnecessary; Pixar and Disney have had great success with their movies. Superhero movies should look like The Incredibles or Little Mermaid etc.
Say, now... that's something.
It's so true.
I think there are.
I didn't know it was so controversial, but I never cared for her or Ioan, and, moreso, the way their characters and their relationship were depicted.
These two posts brilliantly sum up my feelings on the topic:
Well said, both of you!
Well, I think in some regards a way to "darken" the tone if that's what they really want to do, all they really need to do is set part of the movie in Latveria, with a PROPER DOOM. That would darken the tone quite a bit right there. You don't need to have say, Sue get assraped by Doom and get preggers with his demon spawn. But you have Doom planning something really really nasty. Don't need to give the origin story again, you can do that in the opening credits sequence ala Spider-Man and the Hulk. We all know the story, let's just move on. Start out light and breezy, then Doom comes into the story with reports of him sending Doom-Bots and troopers into neighboring countries like say, Symkaria (could even have a brief Silver Sable cameo) and other Eastern European countries. Maybe then the tone shifts to a more dark and serious one, Reed is maybe called before some military types and questioned at end about Doom and what his motivations and weaknesses could be and how they can stop him. This time Reed is DR REED RICHARDS - SUPER GENIUS from the comics - the one that every brainiac in the MU wants to be. And y'know what he can be at least 10-15 years older than whoever plays Sue. Although a bit older Sue wouldn't be bad. I always did like the Jim Lee FF era Sue, where she's a pretty savvy businesswoman, not really a science geekette but she's not only well versed in fashion. She's not Janet VanDyne - honestly I think had they cast Ioan and Jessica as Hank Pym and Janet VanDyne (Ant/Giant-Man and the Wasp for those of you who aren't up on your Marvel Knowledge) that would work just great. But not for Reed and Sue. Anyway... Sue could be working the Fantastic Four Inc's contractors and working on getting Reed the gear he needs. Johnny and Ben would be the comic relief as they have been for the past 40 years and honestly they would be the ONLY TWO of the original Four I would keep. I didn't mind the black Alicia, she was far spicier than the 'original' and eh, so what. She's black, he's orange rock with a white guy inside. Big whoop. Chris Evans is exactly like Johnny. In his younger days I would have cast Brad Pitt, but he's too old now. Doom can really be anyone in the suit and mask, just need a good voice, and even that can be digitally altered so y'know what, as long as the fraggin DIALOGUE is good, and well acted. Heck get Frank Welker or Peter Cullen, they're masters of that shit.
Maybe even bring in some of the super-natural aspects of Doom where the reason why he's taking over so much of Eastern Europe is so that he can create a large enough power base so that he can acquire enough supernatural elements to rescue his mother from Hell or something.
I mean, there's enough you can do to the next movie to make it "darker" than what we got so far, but still keep the lighter, family feel of the originals. Maybe even have Sue reveal that she's pregnant toward the end and Doom is ready to kill her, and he finds out she's having Reed's baby and as much as he would love to hurt Reed that way, he finds out that her son has a lot of power inside of him. Power that he may be able to use later. So he spares her life. And ends with him keeping an eye on them from their HQ or something. Kind of forshadowing Franklin's awesome reality warping power.
"Someday child... someday you will reshape reality. A planet for Doom!"
Maybe even bring in some of the super-natural aspects of Doom where the reason why he's taking over so much of Eastern Europe is so that he can create a large enough power base so that he can acquire enough supernatural elements to rescue his mother from Hell or something.
I mean, there's enough you can do to the next movie to make it "darker" than what we got so far, but still keep the lighter, family feel of the originals. Maybe even have Sue reveal that she's pregnant toward the end and Doom is ready to kill her, and he finds out she's having Reed's baby and as much as he would love to hurt Reed that way, he finds out that her son has a lot of power inside of him. Power that he may be able to use later. So he spares her life. And ends with him keeping an eye on them from their HQ or something. Kind of forshadowing Franklin's awesome reality warping power.
"Someday child... someday you will reshape reality. A planet for Doom!"
Which is why I am hoping that Green Lantern goes this way. The impression I get from what the people in charge of that movie suggests that it'll be more of the high-flying science fantasy than a tied down to Earth, Dark Knight type story (though, I wouldn't be surprised if Earth is somehow in jeopardy during the course of the movie).
The way WB are now when it comes to superheroes, the GL movie will likely have him facing a crime gang threatening Ferris Aircraft that's led by Hector Hammond (who has no powers and is just guy with a deformed large head). And they'll combine Hal with Kyle's parent problems to make him more "relatable".
Again, judging from comments by the screenwriters/producers, this probably won't happen.
Besides, all WB has said, once, in an interview months and months ago, that they want to go "darker". That can mean a hundred different things and, from what I remember, it was only really directed at a potential Superman movie. You really need to move beyond this "all superhero movies will now involve a mob element" mindset.
Dark =/= Crime/Mob Story
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That opening line about the public and superheroes about sums it up.
It's often said that the public hates Superheroes. They're only popular in comic books, which is a failing industry, and in a few big-budget blockbusters and cartoons, which make a lot of money but are exceptions to the rule. In any other type of media, superheroes fail miserably.
Hell this entry also supports what I said before: Common moviegoers hate the fantastic so much, they refuse to say "Dark Knight is a superhero movie". Why? Because superhero movies are inherently a bad thing and anything good can't possible be a superhero (or even a genre) work. Just like how Matrix fans will say it's not sci-fi, and nuBSG fans say that just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a chance.
And that bit about him fighting Legion will likely just be a quick glossed over bit done in the first 20 minutes to get the superhero elements out of the way and forgotten in lieu of something more "Down to Earth".
That opening line about the public and superheroes about sums it up.
It's often said that the public hates Superheroes. They're only popular in comic books, which is a failing industry, and in a few big-budget blockbusters and cartoons, which make a lot of money but are exceptions to the rule. In any other type of media, superheroes fail miserably.
Hell this entry also supports what I said before: Common moviegoers hate the fantastic so much, they refuse to say "Dark Knight is a superhero movie". Why? Because superhero movies are inherently a bad thing and anything good can't possible be a superhero (or even a genre) work. Just like how Matrix fans will say it's not sci-fi, and nuBSG fans say that just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a chance.
And that bit about him fighting Legion will likely just be a quick glossed over bit done in the first 20 minutes to get the superhero elements out of the way and forgotten in lieu of something more "Down to Earth".
