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If that person thinks that they "never suggested otherwise" then obvious they have no idea what they're talking about, because they certainly did. Also, even if they got the dates wrong and the stuff mentioned happened post New Vegas they still don't address what happened to the vast majority of the multi-state spanningNCR that wouldn't have been effected by the event talked about in the show.
If that person thinks that they "never suggested otherwise" then obvious they have no idea what they're talking about, because they certainly did. Also, even if they got the dates wrong and the stuff mentioned happened post New Vegas they still don't address what happened to the vast majority of the multi-state spanningNCR that wouldn't have been effected by the event talked about in the show.
The treatment of the NCR left a bitter taste in my mouth and I hope it isn't as dire as the show predicts. One of the things I really enjoyed about the West Coast Fallout was the progression of the story and return of civilization you observed over the games thanks to the players actions in FO1 and FO2 as well as New Vegas. To just undo that for a TV show leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
That said, I think New Vegas falling apart regardless of the ending maybe an alright way to go about the multi-ending stuff. The last DLC seemed to be trying to force you in that direction.
Though the truth is, I'm still sad and bitter Bethesda got their hands on the franchise and not Obsidian.
Also note, there is no date under the Nuke drawing.
The sign outside of the town called it the 'first capital' implying it wasn't the capital at the time it was destroyed.
One Fallout LPer I watch on youtube, who's favourite game (not just fallout game) of all time is New Vegas, has no problems with this at all. He even said he wasn't surprised at all when it appeared that the NCR had declined in the show as he felt there was enough evidence in Fallout New Vegas itself that showed it was going to happen sooner or later.
He does point out that the sign for Shady Sands in the show says the population is about 40k, which is barely a drop in the pond of the entire NCR's population given in a previous game which was set almost a century before the show.
I find it unlikely all civilization with in the NCR has completely collapsed. There might be various nation states out there descended from it.
they still don't address what happened to the vast majority of the multi-state spanningNCR that wouldn't have been effected by the event talked about in the show.
Being the lead Fallout writer for Bethesda is not exactly something for someone to brag about, Fallout 3, 4 and 76 are all examples of generally mediocre writing at best, there is a reason that New Vegas is considered better then any of the Bethesda developed games although I'll admit to still enjoying FO3 and 4 despite their flaws.
But if that is his role then he does have authority to speak on this topic, so I'll accept that as the timeline and just consider the show as having screwed it up. That said, that still doesn't explain what happened to the NCR at The Hub, or in Nevada and Oregon, the organization was literally too big to "decline" to the level it is in the show, especially just from one nuke going off. Also the TV show is still incoherent trash, but that is much less important to me then the game continuity.
If the show is going to use the NCR, they can't just claim that it was a group from one random city that apparently collapsed after one nuke when those are both absolutely incorrect. They either need to acknowledge that they're only talking about the (relative to them) local NCR, or not mention the NCR at all.
Again I realize the show is borderline gibberish when it comes to its writing and the actual writers probably only used the NCR because some Bethesda consultant gave them the name, but its something that effects the larger Fallout Universe outside of their terrible show so I don't want it messed up. Really, Bethesda should have just said the show was an alternate continuity, if it wasn't official canon I could completely ignore it like every other terrible video game adaptation.
Agreed, likely along state lines, and local population centers. It's a poor assumption to think NCR is all gone, and is not implied in the show by dialog.
Absolutely nothing of what I said is wrong, its my opinion (some people seem to have trouble with that concept). If you like it, fine, I don't care if you do and you don't need to pay attention to my opinion. I thought that it was badly written trash, written by people who don't even remotely care about the property and who, even besides that, are absolutely worthless as writers. The mysteries in the writing are stupid and uninteresting but not the point, nothing in the show makes sense at a basic level, at least with the Vault stuff, and the show gets almost everything about the Brotherhood of Steel completely wrong.
I'm not being sarcastic or asking this to be rude, but is English your second language, or do you something that makes it hard for you to judge things like writing and acting? I only ask this because you seem to have very different opinions and ideas about these kind of things than most other people, even professionals in the industry. I've seen you come into threads about some of the most beloved and acclaimed series and movies of the last decade, which have been considered very well written and acted, and have won practically every award in the industry for those categories, and talk about how horrible the acting and writing are. It's honestly starting to feel a little strange how you seem to consistently contradict 99% of people who watch, and I'm just wondering if there is a reason.
EDITED: To add not to beginning of post.
Agreed, likely along state lines, and local population centers. It's a poor assumption to think NCR is all gone, and is not implied in the show by dialog.
We encounter multiple NCR successor states in the show.
EPISODE 8 Spoilers:
The community of Vault 4 made of Shady Sands survivors, the "President" that arrests Cooper and his goons, and Moldaver group are all NCR affiliated survivors. The problem seems to be Moldaver is the only leader with any traction and she's killed by the end of the series. We also note the Brotherhood of Steel is trying to kill off Moldaver and her group because, well of course they are.
He does point out that the sign for Shady Sands in the show says the population is about 40k, which is barely a drop in the pond of the entire NCR's population given in a previous game which was set almost a century before the show.
From New Vegas (2281): Hayes (NCR officer): "Sure can. The NCR was founded from the survivors of one of the great Vaults. We started as a small settlement called Shady Sands. We now consist of 5 states, that make up the greatest nation since the Great War."
From Fallout 2: Founded eighty years ago (2161), the NCR is now comprised of the states of Shady, Los Angeles, Maxson, Hub, and Dayglow. Approximately 700,000 citizens are pleased to call NCR home.
Further implied by New Vegas: As established in Fallout: New Vegas, the NCR did not halt its northward expansion, incorporating Arroyo, New Reno, and Redding. As the game also establishes that Vault City is still intact and inhabited, this leaves only the 2 endings in which the city is annexed as possible canonical outcomes.
NCR is overextended at the Mojave: Chief Hanlon: (Ranger Chief): "People back home don't listen. They don't care. Senators, Brahmin barons, folks who are just trying to make it from day to day. It's been so many years that people forget about it. Conscription brings in fresh troops to die here every month. Like it's routine. And even if we hold this dam, what then? Are we going to send the NCR's men and women to die here for another five years? Ten? Patrol the whole length of the Colorado for hundreds of miles? Holding this dam. It'll be the death of us."
It is, but then fans are not known for their senses of humor over this, or any other franchise. It's mind blowing to me how serious this gets taken, with little room given for any leeway.
Are people assuming the end of NCR the government somehow means the death of everyone in NCR? I'm taking the loss of NCR's capital as the end of it as a polity, not, "Everyone in NCR is dead." Like Vault City, San Fransisco, and other places are around--they're just no longer sending Senators or recognizing a President.
Are people assuming the end of NCR the government somehow means the death of everyone in NCR? I'm taking the loss of NCR's capital as the end of it as a polity, not, "Everyone in NCR is dead." Like Vault City, San Fransisco, and other places are around--they're just no longer sending Senators or recognizing a President.
My Skyrim addiction broke me of my New Vegas addiction. Every so often I think about running back to New Vegas but I'm afraid of getting roped into the wasteland again. The number of hours I have in Skyrim is downright embarrassing.
So, I binged the it over the weekend. Overall, it was very watchable in the moment, but there was a lot of "fridge logic" involved.
The biggest issue with the show by far is the twist that Moldaver is/was president of the NCR completely undercuts the pilot episode. The NCR is a pretty morally ambiguous state, of course, and I don't think it's beyond plausibility that Moldaver may have hired a bunch of raiders for her attempt to kidnap Hank. She may not even care about the collateral damage (she certainly didn't seem to care about the prisoners left behind). However, if she really had the close relationship with Lucy's mother that the finale suggests, she would never just send in a random raider to effectively rape the child of her friend, then try and brutally murder her. Are we really meant to believe she didn't have a trusted lieutenant who could have faked being a husband better?
There were a few smaller choices which seemed to be "rule of cool" as well. Like when the idiots in the organ harvesting location release the feral ghouls. The weird thing was how they didn't do it initially, then complied at gunpoint (without trying to convince Lucy otherwise) and were promptly killed. Which was dumb as hell, given they had better odds against a girl with a gun than 3-4 feral ghouls. Of course, Fallout is an inherently kinda ridiculous universe, but this still was an immersion-breaking moment for me.
Cooper Howard's decision to start eating the friend he put out of his misery who was turning feral was also one of those cases that was a WTF moment. I'm actually fine with the idea that he's been brought so low that he doesn't see anything wrong with survival cannibalism, but he cut out like a few pounds of meat and left it at that, when you'd expect a much more efficient butchering process.
I also thought some of the language used during the flashback Cooper had overhearing the corporate leaders plotting WW3 was a bit...off? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that Amazon would take such an openly anti-capitalist stance. But the arguments they made around "profit" made absolutely no fucking sense. There is no such thing as "profit" after WW3, because all stock markets and the like are gone. It's just about total control at that point.
Admittedly, these are all (save the first one) relatively minor quibbles that didn't stop me from enjoying the show, and the character arcs of the three mains are well done, and the twist, however contrived, is one hell of a twist, which gives the story political theming it didn't appear to have at the beginning.
So, I binged the it over the weekend. Overall, it was very watchable in the moment, but there was a lot of "fridge logic" involved.
The biggest issue with the show by far is the twist that Moldaver is/was president of the NCR completely undercuts the pilot episode. The NCR is a pretty morally ambiguous state, of course, and I don't think it's beyond plausibility that Moldaver may have hired a bunch of raiders for her attempt to kidnap Hank. She may not even care about the collateral damage (she certainly didn't seem to care about the prisoners left behind). However, if she really had the close relationship with Lucy's mother that the finale suggests, she would never just send in a random raider to effectively rape the child of her friend, then try and brutally murder her. Are we really meant to believe she didn't have a trusted lieutenant who could have faked being a husband better?
There were a few smaller choices which seemed to be "rule of cool" as well. Like when the idiots in the organ harvesting location release the feral ghouls. The weird thing was how they didn't do it initially, then complied at gunpoint (without trying to convince Lucy otherwise) and were promptly killed. Which was dumb as hell, given they had better odds against a girl with a gun than 3-4 feral ghouls. Of course, Fallout is an inherently kinda ridiculous universe, but this still was an immersion-breaking moment for me.
Cooper Howard's decision to start eating the friend he put out of his misery who was turning feral was also one of those cases that was a WTF moment. I'm actually fine with the idea that he's been brought so low that he doesn't see anything wrong with survival cannibalism, but he cut out like a few pounds of meat and left it at that, when you'd expect a much more efficient butchering process.
I also thought some of the language used during the flashback Cooper had overhearing the corporate leaders plotting WW3 was a bit...off? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that Amazon would take such an openly anti-capitalist stance. But the arguments they made around "profit" made absolutely no fucking sense. There is no such thing as "profit" after WW3, because all stock markets and the like are gone. It's just about total control at that point.
Admittedly, these are all (save the first one) relatively minor quibbles that didn't stop me from enjoying the show, and the character arcs of the three mains are well done, and the twist, however contrived, is one hell of a twist, which gives the story political theming it didn't appear to have at the beginning.
I'm not taking that as fridge logic as characterization.
Moldaver REALLY REALLY hates Vault-Tec, Hank, and Hank's children.
I also have the theory that seems in fact the most logical one that those Raiders ARE NCR. They're all the right age and location to be the children of Shady Sands that weren't lucky enough to find refuge in Vault 4 or the Brotherhood of Steel like Maximus. It's very much a revenge murder of Hank for the destruction of Shady Sands.
Which is to say she's not a good person and only seems shaken out of her revenge by seeing Lucy is almost identical in appearance to Rose.
Re: The Monopoly
Unfortunately, the insanity of Vault-Tec's jargon is actually RL arguments that the Great Reset would be the best time for a libertarian economy to be born. It is something that if you think I'm making up is actually the central premise of Atlas Shrugged.
