Everything Discovery has abandoned over the course of this season...

[fireproof78]

Or maybe I'm just naive and expect that most people have good intentions.

I tend to think Trek over-estimates the level of competence significantly compared to the "man on the street," but I'd expect Starfleet to be full of overachievers. After all, in a world where you don't have to work much and can just get replicated stuff, only really driven people would choose a life like Starfleet.

Or thrill seekers, or people who got in a divorce, or individuals who are doing it for college. There have been plenty of examples of individuals who are not necessarily driven or overachievers who join Starfleet.

 

[Refuge]

Tuvok as a character across every Star Trek would be my favourite.

 

[Refuge]

Sometimes I feel like I might be mildly "on the spectrum" because I seldom to never identify with characters in Trek. The only exceptions are in stories which deal with familial love, which now that I am grown and a parent gets to me every time. Just last night I saw for the first time the Voyager episode Lineage, and it legit made me cry (only time Voyager has ever done that).

I don't identify with any of them either but some I feel more invested in, that is in all Trek. That is where UNLIKE other Trek 'Discovery' fails. I don't care about any of them, have not invested in caring. I mean like 'care'. Which is a good thing because none of them are who they are presented as and then they die and then a fresh version takes their place. Michael should have been the character to care about but she's a train wreck.

 

[fireproof78]

Michael should have been the character to care about but she's a train wreck.

I love train wrecks.

 

[Longinus]

I agree that due to the procedural format of TNG they didn't do enough consistent character work, but I don't agree the characters didn't have flaws.

Picard: Disliked/was awkward with children. Had a bad relationship with his brother. Generally kept people at a distance

Riker: Didn't get along with his dad. Became kind of lazy as time went on. Womanizer.

Worf: Extremely dour and humorless for a Klingon. An absolutely horrible father.

Geordi: Horrible with women to the point of being creepy.

Yes, on the whole, they're all good people with minor quirks. But you know what - the people I know in real life more closely resemble this than the modern day "flawed" characters. Maybe it's just because I've shut toxic people out of my life as I've aged however.

These days you have to be a homicidal sociopath to qualify as a flawed character.

 

[Noname Given]

^That's crap. Roddenberry's Star Trek had more humour than Discovery ever will have. Discovery takes itself so seriously and what was the point of Michael's angst? She ends up with Tyler who is not Tyler but Voq. There's no music that makes that sound right.

TOS had a lot of humor - TNG didn't <--- It took itself VERY seriously.

 

[Vger23]

You'd think Chakotay -- being a leader in the Maquis, fighting the good fight, would've had more fire to him than he did. Most of the time, he felt like a Human Resources Manager.

While he was a pacifist who only fought when he felt he had to, you'd think that would've given him a lot more spirit.

This is the best post ever. Because..........

I am a Human Resources Director!

 

[Donker]

What's the point of telling a story in the 23rd century if you're just going to plop people who are culturally early 21st century Americans down in it?

ding ding ding

This is one of Discoveries biggest problems. It's a 21st century character drama, with 21st century characters, just set on a space ship. (Even worse that Discoveries characters feel like high school students)

This has always been one of my biggest gripes with Sci-fi in general. "Oh it's just the modern day on a space ship, we have all these resources and technology, but we still live in 21st century capitalism somehow".
One of the main reasons I love Star Trek is that it actually showed, the future, a post-capitalist society, post-capitalist people, people who had moved on from our petty issues we have today and one of the reasons I love DS9, how do people from pretty much a utopian society, deal with extremely serious conflict, when they have to deal with extremely unenlightened civilisations that might not be alien to us, but are alien to them because they are from a utopian society that has moved past all that crap.

It is? By who? I'm going to need some serious citations on this one.

Go talk to designers and ask them who their favourite designers and periods of design are. Go read some design textbooks and wonder who they mainly focus on.
There is a reason Ikea spread so hardcore and is considered so stylish, when it's pretty much flatpack bauhaus. There is a reason near all new housing developments in western countries these days look like halfassed bauhaus as well. Mid 20th century modernist design.
Many of my friends are designers, every single one considers early-mid 20th century modernism to be peak design.

At some point, hopefully soon, you'll come to realize that antagonizing people who like something you don't and trying to change their minds about it is one of the more unproductive pursuits known to man.

Just responding to someone who just couldn't possibly get from where people think a show set in the same era as TOS, should have an updated modernist futurism look in both the design and fashion.

 

[Xerxus]

A lot of these 'abandoned' plot threads are not really abandoned.
Star Trek often revisits an idea once a season. (eg. Mudd, Leah Brahms, Barclay, Mama Troi)
Sometimes story lines would be picked up after many seasons. (Moriarty was season 2 and 6, The Traveler in S1,S4 and S7.)

Not everything has to be completely fleshed out immediately. Some people were citing the "Vulcan Logic Extremists" as an abandoned plot, but that's just flavouring which reinforces the (klingon) theme of people not accepting diversity.

 

[Vger23]

I do think it's fascinating that they emphasized things very early on that didn't get followed up on (black badges, etc)...but I'm guessing those were all leftover artifacts and details of the arc that were pivoted in a different direction after Fuller left.

And, I'm ok with that.

 

[fireproof78]

Go talk to designers and ask them who their favourite designers and periods of design are. Go read some design textbooks and wonder who they mainly focus on.
There is a reason Ikea spread so hardcore and is considered so stylish, when it's pretty much flatpack bauhaus. There is a reason near all new housing developments in western countries these days look like halfassed bauhaus as well. Mid 20th century modernist design.
Many of my friends are designers, every single one considers early-mid 20th century modernism to be peak design.

No, sources, please.

 

[eschaton]

This is the best post ever. Because..........

I am a Human Resources Director!

Crap. Since I work for a labor union, I guess we need to fight to the death now.

 

[The Wormhole]

So, something which was technically dropped even though it was never actually seen in the show, remember all that stuff from before the show aired from Fuller, I think, about the show building off a line spoken in TOS? Pretty sure that idea was abandoned sometime after Fuller left.

 

[eschaton]

ding ding ding

This is one of Discoveries biggest problems. It's a 21st century character drama, with 21st century characters, just set on a space ship. (Even worse that Discoveries characters feel like high school students)

This has always been one of my biggest gripes with Sci-fi in general. "Oh it's just the modern day on a space ship, we have all these resources and technology, but we still live in 21st century capitalism somehow".
One of the main reasons I love Star Trek is that it actually showed, the future, a post-capitalist society, post-capitalist people, people who had moved on from our petty issues we have today and one of the reasons I love DS9, how do people from pretty much a utopian society, deal with extremely serious conflict, when they have to deal with extremely unenlightened civilisations that might not be alien to us, but are alien to them because they are from a utopian society that has moved past all that crap.

Yeah, once again, I feel like this is something The Expanse had done better than newer Trek. Particularly with the Belters, but to a lesser extent more generally, they do make it feel like the future is actually a culturally alien place.

 

[Lord Garth]

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