Spoilers Eternals grade and discussion thread

[Noname Given]

Thanos is a Titan. In the comics the Titans are a small colony of eternals living on Titan (Saturn's moon) and experimenting with whether Eternals can (and should) breed. Thanos is their fault/failure.

Movie Thanos clearly comes from a very large society which clearly didn't live on Saturn's moon. At this point, the Titans connection to the Eternals has been massively altered if not removed entirely. And we don't if Eros is trustworthy or literal in describing his link to Thanos.

The Thanos you refer to was how he was first introduced (along with Moondragon) in the mid-70s in the original Captain Marvel book (When he was male, pink, and used nega-bands) . They retconned a lot of that in later comic stories - although I hadn't read those myself, just info from friends who had,

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The Thanos you refer to was how he was first introduced (along with Moondragon) in the mid-70s in the original Captain Marvel book (When he was male, pink, and used nega-bands) . They retconned a lot of that in later comic stories - although I hadn't read those myself, just info from friends who had,

It's been a big part of the current ongoing Eternals book, so it must have been changed back again.

 

[Reverend]

Thanos is a Titan. In the comics the Titans are a small colony of eternals living on Titan (Saturn's moon) and experimenting with whether Eternals can (and should) breed. Thanos is their fault/failure.

Movie Thanos clearly comes from a very large society which clearly didn't live on Saturn's moon. At this point, the Titans connection to the Eternals has been massively altered if not removed entirely. And we don't if Eros is trustworthy or literal in describing his link to Thanos.

It certainly makes things messy if he was an Eternal/Deviant half-breed as he was in the comics, given that they specifically say the reason they didn't fight him in Infinity War was that they're only allowed to get involved if deviants are in the mix (as apparently was the case with the Joten invasion?!) You'd think they'd be allowed to interfere if he was as such, or even just a descendent of a rogue Eternal.
Either way I can't imagine Arishem was pleased with him going around halving populations, delaying emergences. Even if by chance all those other planets he went after prior weren't seed worlds, Earth certainly was, and the snap for sure delayed all the others.

 

[Anwar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from the comics, Thanos was an eternal himself right? And Eros is his brother, which he says here (and says he's an eternal). Only I believe in the comics he had recessive Deviant ancestry, which is why he looked weird.

I don't know how they'll square this with this movie though, where Eternals are basically shown to be robots (unlike in the comics, where they are a created race, but biological/able to reproduce) and deviants are just a bunch of dumb lizard monsters.

IIRC, the director said that this version of Eros is an artificially made being like the other Eternals and was stationed on Thanos' homeworld. He's the adopted one into Thanos' family.

But I may need to check that source again.

 

[Noname Given]

It certainly makes things messy if he was an Eternal/Deviant half-breed as he was in the comics, given that they specifically say the reason they didn't fight him in Infinity War was that they're only allowed to get involved if deviants are in the mix (as apparently was the case with the Joten invasion?!) You'd think they'd be allowed to interfere if he was as such, or even just a descendent of a rogue Eternal.
Either way I can't imagine Arishem was pleased with him going around halving populations, delaying emergences. Even if by chance all those other planets he went after prior weren't seed worlds, Earth certainly was, and the snap for sure delayed all the others.

The question there is - Were 1/2 of the actual Celestials themselves wiped out of existence via the 'snap'?

 

[Reverend]

The question there is - Were 1/2 of the actual Celestials themselves wiped out of existence via the 'snap'?

That depends on whether Thanos and/or the stones class them as "alive", given that they're artificial constructs. Though not terribly relevant since there's no indication that they're allowed to even act in self defence from a non-Deviant enmasse threat.

 

[Noname Given]

That depends on whether Thanos and/or the stones class them as "alive", given that they're artificial constructs. Though not terribly relevant since there's no indication that they're allowed to even act in self defence from a non-Deviant enmasse threat.

I wasn't talking about the Eternals, I was talking about the actual Celestials that created the Eternals.

 

[Reverend]

I wasn't talking about the Eternals, I was talking about the actual Celestials that created the Eternals.

I actually hadn't considered that. Though if Arishem had blipped away, you'd think it would have come up, one way or the other.

If I had to guess I'd say they don't count as "life", having originated at the birth of the universe before even the stones; so they're more primordial and elemental. Basically gods. That said, they can die and create half-breeds like Peter . . . so it's a bit of a grey area.

Another aspect to consider is that whether or not they're alive

 

[thribs]

Of course the only one who becomes human at the end is the kid. I suppose it would get expensive to keep her young for the sequels

 

[Noname Given]

I actually hadn't considered that. Though if Arishem had blipped away, you'd think it would have come up, one way or the other.

If I had to guess I'd say they don't count as "life", having originated at the birth of the universe before even the stones; so they're more primordial and elemental. Basically gods. That said, they can die and create half-breeds like Peter . . . so it's a bit of a grey area.

Another aspect to consider is that whether or not they're alive

I think the Celestials are life-forms. If you go by what the collector said in Guardians of the Galaxy; the Infinity Stones were created before the Celestials; but the Celestials themselves were the first beings able to make use of the Infinity Stones.

Also Knowwhere itself was the head of a dead Celestial, and various beings were making money by farming said dead Celestial's brain matter and remaining bodily fluids.

So yeah they were alive and they could be killed.

 

[Reverend]

I think the Celestials are life-forms. If you go by what the collector said in Guardians of the Galaxy; the Infinity Stones were created before the Celestials; but the Celestials themselves were the first beings able to make use of the Infinity Stones.

Also Knowwhere itself was the head of a dead Celestial, and various beings were making money by farming said dead Celestial's brain matter and remaining bodily fluids.

So yeah they were alive and they could be killed.

No, the opening crawl specifically says the Celestials came BEFORE the singularities.

As for Knowwhere, Ego, Tiamut and any other "dead" Celestials: it rather depends on one's definition of "death" and if it requires a thing to first be truly alive. Was Vision ever alive? Was Ultron? If not then did they "die", or were they destroyed?

Then there's also the Lovecraftian position on the moral nature of gods: "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
It's entirely possible that Knowwhere's head is very much alive, dreaming an endless reality of utter madness as it's corporeal form is eaten away by all those tiny people.

That also raises the question; are Celestials inexorably tied to their corporeal avatars, or are they only a means to interact with this plain of existence? We know there's an astral plain, and if beings as insignificant as human exist within it, separate from their bodies, why not Celestials? Indeed that Tiamut had a name before it's seed was even planted suggests that the being already existed, it just needed a body to be in this plain.

 

[thribs]

I’m sure they’re alive. That dead one that became Nowhere has people harvesting it’s brain matter.

 

[P Tom]

No, the opening crawl specifically says the Celestials came BEFORE the singularities.

Much of the opening crawl is riddled with false information anyway heh.

 

[Reverend]

I’m sure they’re alive. That dead one that became Nowhere has people harvesting it’s brain matter.

Which may just be pissing it off. Or rather it did until Thanos killed them all. Maybe now it misses it, like an itch they can't scratch.

Much of the opening crawl is riddled with false information anyway heh.

Fair point.

 

[thribs]

Im pretty sure it’s dead. What we don’t know is who or what killed it.

 

[Mudd]

Pretty good movie.

 

[The Knappos]

I see it's going through a re-appraisal by quite a few people on rewatch.
I still think it's an overly-plodding, on-the-nose exposition fest but I loved Earth-X and so I can't say I entirely hate it even if it's only tangentially linked.
It is the second worst MCU for me though. Above Incredible Hulk, below Thor The Dark World.

Much of the opening crawl is riddled with false information anyway heh.

And the opening crawl is entirely superfluous as it's most pertinent details recapped via exposition half a dozen times

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[theenglish]

The Incredible Hulk is actually one of my favorite MCU movies.

But I agree that over time, I find more faults with the movie--not the least of which is that it falls prey to the "in name only" syndrome that plagues a lot of comic book screen adaptations. I've been reading the old Eternals stories thanks to Comixology and their mythology is rich and interesting. I would have much preferred a movie that kept their original backstory intact.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The Marvel Studios Assembled episode is up at Disney Plus.