So, hypothetically, in the script Ensign Smith and Ensign Jones are two guards who rush in and Ensign Smith is killed. Assume that there is no description or mention of race of either person in the text.
Casting gives the jobs to a white actor as Jones and a black actor as Smith. Is it being suggested here that the casting director's choice makes this racist? Implying that the person who made that choice is racist.
What about back in That Which Survives. They chose Watkins to be killed instead of one of the white dudes in Engineering. Is that racist? I mean, they avoided killing the black security guest in By Any Other Name in favor of the female yeoman, does that make them sexist for that decision? They can't win in that case.
I'm not saying racism isn't possible in TMP's context, but I feel it's unlikely. It's just as possible that it's simply the luck of the casting. Especially since Star Trek generally wasn't a racist production (women were treated worse). With all of the death in Star Trek - most of them white guys - I find it hard to believe.
14 white man are killed on Star Trek = "haha Red Shirts, amirite?" A back guy is killed = "RACISM!"
Casting gives the jobs to a white actor as Jones and a black actor as Smith. Is it being suggested here that the casting director's choice makes this racist? Implying that the person who made that choice is racist.
What about back in That Which Survives. They chose Watkins to be killed instead of one of the white dudes in Engineering. Is that racist? I mean, they avoided killing the black security guest in By Any Other Name in favor of the female yeoman, does that make them sexist for that decision? They can't win in that case.
I'm not saying racism isn't possible in TMP's context, but I feel it's unlikely. It's just as possible that it's simply the luck of the casting. Especially since Star Trek generally wasn't a racist production (women were treated worse). With all of the death in Star Trek - most of them white guys - I find it hard to believe.
14 white man are killed on Star Trek = "haha Red Shirts, amirite?" A back guy is killed = "RACISM!"
If I were casting Smith and Jones, I would get Ben Murphy and Pete Duel.
I enjoyed the deleted scenes and I have done my own extended cut to include the DE plus most of the scenes from the SLV plus the security guard and engineering scene. The only real challenges were finding TOS dialogue for "Kirk to engineering" in sick bay and the name of the security guard in the closing scene. I had to go for Dickerson in the end because I couldn't locate or vocode a version of Phillips that flowed with the dialogue.
I like all the character moments for the wider cast and at least this scene includes 'to learn all that is learnable' which is referenced later.
I also included my own version of the Memory Wall, where Kirk and Rand pursue Spock. I would love it if Otoy would go to town and bring us a proper version.
To be honest, the only scene I would trim is the one at V'Ger's brain. There is an awful lot of standing around looking puzzled while V'Ger makes beebop noises. It really drags as a finale.
I like all the character moments for the wider cast and at least this scene includes 'to learn all that is learnable' which is referenced later.
I also included my own version of the Memory Wall, where Kirk and Rand pursue Spock. I would love it if Otoy would go to town and bring us a proper version.
To be honest, the only scene I would trim is the one at V'Ger's brain. There is an awful lot of standing around looking puzzled while V'Ger makes beebop noises. It really drags as a finale.
Fact Checkers are the best. I was just making a point, but thanks. Was there any name provided for the other guy?
No. Phillips only got a name because Kirk named him as a casualty in the last scene, before they removed his death and thus his name.
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The missing dialogue was shown in subtitle form.
Riley, it’s a trope. See “Scary Movie” for it being mentioned directly. Also see just about every movie Paul Winfield was in.
lol, poor Paul Winfield, im pretty sure the only actor I've seen die more is Sean Bean
Okay, I'm a bit confused and unsettled by the video portion of this engineering scene. Throughout, it has the uncanney-valley vibes of an AI creation; yet apparently it was on the 2022 digital release, which would almost certainly be too early for AI to get this close to photorealism. Nevertheless, the characters' micro-details and subtle motions, along with the overall look of the video, are not quite right. In some ways this looks better than what I've seen in other scenes from the film, especially deleted scenes. I don't mean better as in more convincingly "real," but in terms of having a sort of crispness that seems to suggest a purely digital genesis.
I'm absolutely no film/video expert, so I'm probably just revealing my ignorance here, but something feels off. Every time I watch it, the Mites of the Uncanny Valley are nibbling at the back of my neck.
I'm absolutely no film/video expert, so I'm probably just revealing my ignorance here, but something feels off. Every time I watch it, the Mites of the Uncanny Valley are nibbling at the back of my neck.
I think the dialogue track, particularly some of Persis' dialogue doesn't quite match her lip movements but Scotty's pose as he delivers his line is a famous pose from stills that have been around since the eighties.
Sure, but that doesn't mean the video isn't AI-generated. It could mean that the famous-pose stills were fed to the AI as reference. I'm happy to be convinced either way (whatever the truth is). Maybe there is an actual, grainier and grimier original film source, and AI was asked to make a cleaner simulation of that? I just don't know.
This is an example of a post that should be pinned to the top of the board, regarding how to navigate the choppy seas of the world we live in, and all that.
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