Yes, some more examples please.
In Year of Hell she snapped at the Doctor and immediately apologized
Equinox crew??
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In Year of Hell she snapped at the Doctor and immediately apologized
First, she apologized while many of her male colleagues would have walked the talk without feeling regret during the crisis or even later,
Second (which is a logical continuation of 1)), she was the captain (the highest rank aboard Voyager) and she had the right to act as she chose, without having to account to anyone (except admirals, of course), especially her subordinates,
Third, it seemed to me that since the beginning of the journey, Chakotay & the Doctor, between others, received a hell of preferential treatment and they have enjoyed it more than they should in return, be able to bear to be put back in their place from time to time. If Janeway estimated that these two deserved a lesson for their temporary lack of loyalty or further to reckless actions, why would she not have the right to do so, in suspending them or in sending them in brigs?!
-> hey, do you think that Picard, Sesko or Archer would have stood seeing their authority questioned by an outlaw serving on board as their XO and a chatterbox hologram, seriously?!
They were assigned to look after the Borg Baby.
So many (5 or 6 people) to look after a little one?! What a lucky baby! ;-)
1-2 crew per shift three shifts a day, round the clock care in the bowels of the ship where they make dozens of new shuttles and torpedoes each week.
Actually, the CMO has the authority to relieve the Captain of command, and any Captain so willing to blithely dismiss their CMO at that point shouldn't be sitting in the chair.
Also, the rank is Captain, not Emperor.
And why are you bringing gender into this?
- I agree, the CMO has the authority to relieve the Captain but in the facts, it can only be shortly (to let the Captain rest a few days for ex.). But IF the medical officer is seriously concerned about the mental or physical health of the commanding officer to the point that it may endanger his/her life and the lives of the crew, he should inform the senior crew immediately (in particular First Officer, Security Officer, Chief Engineer…), in presenting them clearly the facts with the ins and outs (= this is an essential point in the proceedings, as seeing as it will serve as the base of discussions!), and the decision to relieve the Captain until reaching port should be taken collegially in order to share the responsibility of the decision, what could be very useful later when these people will be auditioned to explain their reasons in front of a Commission of Inquiry.
-> some of you may wonder why the CMO decides to take such precautions, right? In fact, it’s because, much of the time, this complex procedure (which doesn’t necessarily take too long but serves to prevent all excessive zeal), seen as a humiliation for the Captain, also marks roughly the end of a long and brillant career. So, it is a serious decision to take with possible consequences on the morale of the crew and on the organization of the ship, which should be modified.
About Capt. Janeway, I don’t remember to have seen once, the Doctor doubt of her mental or physical sanity to the point to seriously consider a definitive relieving (even if he expressed doubts about some of her decisions in his holojournal, what was a personal initiative which was neither in his jurisdiction or even delicate!), what didn’t prevent him to be concerned about her lack of sleep/her forced diet but her too much coffee consumption and her irrepressible need to be on the front line with in return, some unnecessary injuries (view shared by Tuvok and Chakotay, besides!).
- A Captain doesn’t need to be an Emperor to be revered by the crew. The man or the woman behind this title/rank, naturally inspires confidence and respect, especially if this person is reputed to have a strong personaility and an experience that many would envy. So, generally, the very first advice given to new crew members is to avoid mess with him or her. Period.
Plus, let me remind you that the Captain is the sole master aboard and responsible for his/her hold (= the most important person on the ship). It’s a strongly symbolic principle and no-one onboard or ourside, can be unaware of it. Plus, as seing as the captain is well alive and active, the First Officer will be only confined to administrative tasks, relationships with the crew (= complaints office), briefing/debriefing with the Captain and occasionally, ensure being on-call when necessarely. Here is the sad reality of a First Officer daily time! And do not count on the XO to question the captain about some decisions or to give advices openly. It is only in fiction that we see that!
- why am I bringing gender into this? Really?! Anyway. I reassure you, it has nothing to do with sexism. Au contraire, as seeing as far as I know, there are Captains of both genders, same for ship's doctors, First Officers, etc... . It seems normal to me to remind it from time to time, even if I think there are still too few women in positions of responsibility in the Army, regardless the country.
But to return to the Equinox crew, that of missed opportunities to offer interesting stories with Marla Gilmore and Michael Lessing, ... . I wonder if Janeway still held rigor of what they had done when Voyager returns in AQ then Earth? I guess that a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then and that they will get only an official reprimand in their personal files.... . I really hoped this scenario because they seemed to me good guys.
And about Ramson, I was surprised to see Janeaway going back on the word given to aliens to deliver the Equinox leader in exchange of a stop attacks against Voyager. I mean, I know that a Captain will always try to help one of his colleagues but here, the respect for a (wo)man's word when it is given, is something important. And we know that if Janeway Janeway & her crew had managed to recover him beofre his ship explodes, she would have NEVER delivered Ramson to Aliens, knowing that they would have tortured before killing him, what was feasible or tolerable for her, whatever she could think of him..
And about Ramson, I was surprised to see Janeaway going back on the word given to aliens to deliver the Equinox leader in exchange of a stop attacks against Voyager. I mean, I know that a Captain will always try to help one of his colleagues but here, the respect for a (wo)man's word when it is given, is something important. And we know that if Janeway Janeway & her crew had managed to recover him beofre his ship explodes, she would have NEVER delivered Ramson to Aliens, knowing that they would have tortured before killing him, what was feasible or tolerable for her, whatever she could think of him..
Data is a machine, but he's much like a human. His brain learns and creates new pathways like ours. When Data wants to dance, he asks Dr. Crusher to show him and he learns. When the Doctor wants to dance, he calls B'elanna and asks her to download a new app into his system.
It took a long time for Janeway to consider the doctor a person, which is understandable. He's a hologram. Who the doctor is - is part of a program created to make him that way. Data is a blank slate that can learn and grow on his own.
He was most probably programmed to do that.
If he was programmed not to alter his program, then he couldn't.
If he was programmed not to alter his program, then he couldn't.
She scolded him for doing it incorrectly which resulted in damage to his other systems.
It always struck me as a bad idea for the Doctor to have deleted his counterpart. He should have been able to deactivate him and then restore the "ethical subroutines". Could have been helpful to have two doctors, even if one was a little behind the developmental curve.
I agree, E-Dub. Voyager really needed a back up doctor, if only a stripped down version that at least had the medical basics again. I forget how in "Living Witness" that planet found a copy of the doctor. Voyager should have had him backed up in a couple of places, what with how many times he almost de-compiled or left the ship.
I think the Doctor was programmed to allow those who would trigger its emergency program, to extend the memory of its database to take into account the new requirements emerged during the varied missions, like new medical techniques, a better knowledge of virus, improve the capacity and effectiveness of its interventions, etc... . But our Doctor, forgetting what "he" was (and will always be, not matter its efforts granted and those coming from the crew!) and why "he" has been created in the first place, seeked to become more than a holoprogram in searching to adopt the same specificities (emotions, curiosity, hobbies, etc) of human beings for whom "he" has yet so little respect, not only in downloading the datas but in adding his comments, improvements (but we saw that in some occasions, its program could be modified by a third party to make the Doctor, a new version of DrJekyll and Mister Hyde. In fact, it became clear that there would never enough security keys brought to its program, because as human being and aliens, the Doctor wasn't infallible and immortal!), overloaded the capacity of its memory once, in downloading anything and everything so that the progam was on the verge to fail and even disappear (= the episode between s1 and 3, where Kes asked to a holoprogram of Dr Lewis Zimmerman to help her friend, which the program threated to disppear, and the good Dr Zimmerman choked then blamed the hologram after to have found out the cause of the problem and the futile nature of the programmed downloaded).
I know that the Doctor was and still is one of the main Voyager's favorites but I still cannot bring myself to being involved - in or even like - this character, sorry! In fact, from s4, his antics eventually but profundly bored me, sorry!
And in other words? ;-)
I'm just cuious to know what is your point of view, that's all. :-)
