Which hopefully The Rise of Skywalker will answer, which is what we should be discussing in this thread. I'm out.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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Which hopefully The Rise of Skywalker will answer, which is what we should be discussing in this thread. I'm out.
all I did was respond to your post that there is little difference between Rey and Luke.. I answered fairly. you posted I answered..
...which was my initial response to this hyperbolic, thread derailing nonsense:
*REY IS A MARY SUE LIST - Did I miss anything?*.
Having flaws disqualifies a character from being a Mary Sue. Flaws lead to negative results. What flaws does Rey has that lead to negative results? None.
Abandon children don’t grow up to be so naive and altruistic. You need at least a father and or mother and or master figure for that..
Abandon children grow up to be like Han Solo. Their tough up bringing makes them a bit selfish and the opposite of naive.
- Overpowered
- Unexplained Power Level
- Perfectly Good
- No Personality
- Instantly Liked
- Feels Like Wish Fulfilment
- Not Embarrassed/Fails
Independent woman who lives by herself in a desert planet..
No parenting needed.
Who raised her? Her boss? The Sand? Herself?.
Professional scavenger.
Lives quite happily by herself.
She never wanted to leave the plant (major hero’s journey fail).
She is quite hopefull despite living as a slave for all her life.
Very altruistic and naive even though she had no parenting and was abandoned as a child..
Can fight 2 men easily with no help required.
No scars or anything to show for her past fighting skills.
Helps a strange robot twice for no reason.
Helps Fin, another stranger.
Helps Han Solo lots of times.
Helps Leia.
Gets a hug from Leia when they barely know each other..
Helps Kylo ( even after she saw him kill Han Solo ).
Helps Luke
Speaks fluent Robot.
Speaks fluent Wookie.
Speaks Alien (bb8 scene).
Instant best friends with *ALL OF THE CHARACTERS* including Kylo and Snoke
*everybody likes her instantly for no reason*.
Knows how to swim even though she comes from a dessert planet..
Knows how to pilot a ship on her first try better than trained Tie fighter pilots..
Knows mechanic more than Han and Chewie. 3 times.
Knows how to use the Force pull *WITHOUT ANY TRAINNING*.
Knows how to use a lightsaber.
Knows how to use mind control.
Beats Kylo Ren in a mind probe fight.
Beats Kylo Ren in a physical fight.
Beats Kylo Ren in a moral fight.
Beats Luke *a fully trained jedi* in a physical fight.
Beats Luke *a jedi master* in a moral fight.
Beats Snoke guards.
Fights better than Kylo and saves him (snoke guards).
Is saved deux ex machina style twice at a moment were the hero should face his greatest challenge alone - Abbyss, Death and Return).
Gives orders to Chewbacca ( two times war hero, old enough to be her grandfather).
Gets to keep the millenium falcon ( #wookielivesmatter guys ).
Moves millions of huge rocks out of the way.
Yoda kisses her ass for no reason.
Cave learning: she doesn´t need any parents. She is alone and thats is ok. All she needs is herself..
Knows everything that was on the sacrate Jedi books *that she just found out about it*.
No temptation nor fear to go to the Dark Side *booooring*.
Even though she was abandon as a child she has all of this inexplainable extraordinary abilities except that she is extremely fragile, naive and immature.... *THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE !!!*.
*She is the worst character ever created.*
Now please please FFS make another thread. Title it 'Rey is the biggest Mary Sue in the history of the universe' or some shit.
Put the title in caps if that floats your boat.
but that was a hyperbolic answer.. I even admitted that after I did it.. on the previous page to this one, I gave more thorough answers.. But maybe you forgot how to read
fine. All I'm saying is that you brought up how Rey and Luke were at base the same and told you why this was not the case .. that's all I wanted to do .. you also said that all hollywood characters were basically like rey and yet i'm sure a good majority have at least one trait (maybe negative trait) that Rey does not have that makes them a character
And since it is a trilogy this topic DOES matter when thinking about the next episode
And since it is a trilogy this topic DOES matter when thinking about the next episode
Its a series about moon-sized space stations that can destroy entire planets, space wizards, laser swords, a mystical Force that controls everything. It is my favorite movie series and I love every minute of it, but I honestly take it about as seriously as it should be taken.
All I’ll say is: if Rey was being played by anyone of less charisma/talent, this trilogy simply would not work. Daisy Ridley is the glue holding the whole thing together.
sure, but those dismissive comments are only used when looking at something in retrospect. But to just wave everything off like that is being disingenuous.. we all want to be invested in these franchises, whether it's star trek or star wars or anything else, and as such we have to be in a world where the creators are following the rules or guidelines already established. That's a long way of saying that this stuff does matter.. .. first world problems.. but it does matter.
I'll meet you half way. she has a lot of possible talent. Her best scene in both films in my opinion was the look on her face when she first took the portions. That is a strong female character, no chaser. In fact, she was very strong in her quiet introductory scenes and her torture scene. She has talent. But it also took the director to hone that talent, since she is new at this acting thing. He knew he had to spend time with her to get the perfect performance form her, especially in those key scenes by herself.. So she has 50% talent and good direction made up for the other 50%.
This is proven by TLJ where her line deliveries and performance was stilted and not at all special, thanks to bad direction
Then turn it off. You seriously didn't notice?
Mods: can we move this Mary Sue bullshit to its own thread? I come here to read stuff about the Rise of Skywalker, not this crap.
it's not irrelvant
I don't think the first time I saw Star Wars at the age of 2 I really gave a shit about the rules. I cared about the joy I had by watching an adventure in space with good and evil. And if you keep the rules exactly the same, the story gets boring. In my opinion (and yours can and obviously does differ), nothing seen in Disney Star Wars has been too far off base to not be believable. Its a fantastical story and always has been. Could I take everything far too seriously and let it affect my enjoyment of aspects of Star Wars? Sure. And I have. I went a long time with taking this shit too seriously. But this is supposed to be FUN. I'm enjoying myself still. It ain't perfect, but its fun. And to me, that's all that matters.
Maybe it's not, but it's been done to death, it's toxic, and it's dominating the thread when we should all be discussing the recent trailer, and you know damn well this could have a thread all on it's own, but I'm guessing you know that if it did, it would get fuck all response from the rest of us as we're all tired of it. Go on, I dare ya.
Yeah, these arguments are very difficult to take seriously when they get mixed with so much hyperbole, repetitive rhetoric and claims to speak for
the whole audience.
It feels like highly selective interpretation of the material with zero love.
the whole audience.
It feels like highly selective interpretation of the material with zero love.
Calling it now, he's getting killed - through is that too obvious?
I'm not the one that brought up mary sue, I was just responding to it.
my guess is that they are trying to clear his memory, but all of who he is and what he remembered could be lost, but they need him to this . Matches the leaks I've heard .. but I won't say what they are.
i actually agree.. yet the rules might not be hard and fast, and they are not written anywhere, but the viewer knows when something feels "off" and that vague notion might be enough
Sacrificing himself for the greater good perhaps? In some way, but perhaps not in a destroyed, sitting on a scrap heap kind of a thing.
Yet you CONTINUOUSLY bring it up. LET. IT. GO. Or start your own thread.
As I have said NUMEROUS times, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Ah, the old obscenity rule. I can't describe it but I know it when I see it.
This is why I can't take it seriously.
Here, I did it: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/is-rey-a-mary-sue.301616/
