Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread
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You took the following interview quote:
Rian Johnson said:
and deduced that this means her knowing who her parents are is immaterial to the plot of the movie, and by proxy the trilogy. I don't see him saying anything about "plot-specific". Instead, I see him discussing the importance to Rey of discovering this information, as it will tell her how she fits in to what's happening (i.e. with the battle between the Light and Dark, Jedi/Sith, Darth Vader, Ben Solo, Luke, Leia, etc...). He is speaking to the character's reaction to the news, not to the audience's.
This is not indisputable evidence -- it's guesswork. And if the rest of your evidence is just as solid, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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@WarpFactorZ I took that interview quote to mean exactly what it says and in the context in which it was generated.
Also, for the record, said interview quote is consistent with comments that Daisy Ridley has made within the past few months.
Also, for the record, said interview quote is consistent with comments that Daisy Ridley has made within the past few months.
Which means they are given the same talking points, and are following them. Is anyone going to hold them to what they say when the film comes out? Genuine question.
Secondly, I wonder about Rogue One, since footage was shot but never used, but deliberately put in to trailers. Cool or not cool?
I really, really don't see where the quote from Rian Johnson has anything to do whether or not Rey is a Skywalker. It just sounds to me like it's not a huge focus of the movie's overall story, and but that it will be a big part of Rey's motivation from that point for
So once again, Digific, you are wasting your time, with me at least, because there is literally nothing you can say that will convince me that will convince me unless you have a direct quote from someone directly involved with the movie saying point blank Rey is not related to the Skywalkers in any way.
The creator and showrunner of Bones also outright lied about a story involving the show's leads getting together not being a dream. In an interview before the episode aired he said point blank it was not a dream, or fantasy or anything like that, but then when the episode aired it turned out the whole thing was a dream Booth, the male lead, had after he got shot and ended up in a coma. When he was confronted about it afterwards, he just admited that he lied.
Actually that's three, and even when they aren't outright lying many of them still find ways to get around giving a spoiler when they answer questions.
So once again, Digific, you are wasting your time, with me at least, because there is literally nothing you can say that will convince me that will convince me unless you have a direct quote from someone directly involved with the movie saying point blank Rey is not related to the Skywalkers in any way.
This isn't anything new. Trailers are made at various stages of production, all but the very final trailer being made before the editing process in completed.
The people making them generally have to make do with what they're given to make the most exciting trailer possible. That's why some have alternate takes, shots that don't make the cut and in the case of Rogue One, random coverage that the Director shot between takes "just 'coz!"
Admittedly that last part is somewhat unusual, but I've seen similar instances with things like test footage making it in too. Then there's the trailers (teasers) that have *nothing* from the movie itself (the 'Terminator 2' teaser featuring Arnie being built leaps to mind.)
So side note, the Rogue One visual guide actually mentions Crait in it. Thought that was neat.
One of Blue Squadron's pilots was based there before it was abandoned.
Another side note, the (fan) theory that Starkiller base was made from Ilum got another tick to it. Ilum's canon diameter has been revealed to be 660km, which is the same as Starkiller base.
One of Blue Squadron's pilots was based there before it was abandoned.
Another side note, the (fan) theory that Starkiller base was made from Ilum got another tick to it. Ilum's canon diameter has been revealed to be 660km, which is the same as Starkiller base.
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Oh, I'm aware it's nothing new, but I was struggling with examples of production teams doing so.
Regardless, skepticism of Rey is a Skywalker or not is not going to be dismissed by production team member's comment. And, for some reason, that skepticism is called in to doubt because not everyone is interpreting the evidence and statements the exact same way.
I stumbled upon this video as well:
But, nope, production teams should be trusted.
Trailers are rarely put together by the people actually responsible for the on-set production of a film.
This conversation is going nowhere again, so the last thing I'll say is that I hope and pray that those who have glommed onto the notion of "Rey Skywalker" will be mature when (if) it turns out that they were wrong.
This conversation is going nowhere again, so the last thing I'll say is that I hope and pray that those who have glommed onto the notion of "Rey Skywalker" will be mature when (if) it turns out that they were wrong.
If I was royalty, that is how I would use my influence.
When it comes to Rey being related to Luke, I think it's possible, and that it might even be likely, but I'm not going to be disappointed if she isn't. My issue in the conversation isn't with the theory itself, it's just whether or not it's been disproved by the things we've seen and hear so far.
even more info on the designs
http://www.starwars.com/news/inside-two-deadly-new-first-order-vehicles-from-the-last-jedi
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I have to agree with a couple of posters on io9 after seeing those vehicles: Where is the First Order getting all their gear from?
"If they have the materials and man-power to build these vehicles (without involving clones), why did they bother with the Starkiller base? You could have built hundreds of those Dreadnaughts and have all the enemy planets left over to conquer!
I know this sounds rather silly pointing (out) practical issues in the Star Wars universe, but unless they have a super secret Starforge lying around somewhere, I’m really starting to question how the First Order is accomplishing all of this. At least the Imperial Navy from the original trilogy stemmed from whatever was left of the Old Republic."
"And on top of that, they built it without anyone knowing? After the Empire fell, and New Republic rose, they just happened to build an entire armada without one single person knowing?"
"If they have the materials and man-power to build these vehicles (without involving clones), why did they bother with the Starkiller base? You could have built hundreds of those Dreadnaughts and have all the enemy planets left over to conquer!
I know this sounds rather silly pointing (out) practical issues in the Star Wars universe, but unless they have a super secret Starforge lying around somewhere, I’m really starting to question how the First Order is accomplishing all of this. At least the Imperial Navy from the original trilogy stemmed from whatever was left of the Old Republic."
"And on top of that, they built it without anyone knowing? After the Empire fell, and New Republic rose, they just happened to build an entire armada without one single person knowing?"
They are based in the unknown regions.
Which are called that for a reason.
So that new Dreadnought's class name is "Mandator IV".
In Legends there were 3 other dreadnought classes called Mandator (I), II and III.
I guess the name is a nod. I wonder if they'll make the first 3 canon again, or just leave it as a reference.
Which are called that for a reason.
So that new Dreadnought's class name is "Mandator IV".
In Legends there were 3 other dreadnought classes called Mandator (I), II and III.
I guess the name is a nod. I wonder if they'll make the first 3 canon again, or just leave it as a reference.
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Matured? On the internet? O_o
I'm aware of trailer production, but it is all still managed by the studio, who will mandate what is and isn't spoken about or revealed.
Really, my only point of contention is the surety from which this topic is spoken about. Not even Mark Hamill knew that Darth Vader was his father until the scene was shot.
Because it is an open question that will remain in contention until answered...unfortunately.
So far as fandom is concerned sure, but then this is the same fandom where some *still* think Finn could be Lando's son. For the movies themselves, Rey being a Skywalker is a question that was never even raised.
And that's the nature of fandom, especially right now when there is a constant expectation of the other shoe to drop, or after credit scenes and the like.
It's not rational.
So we agree that it's not a rational probability, much less a credible one? Because that's all I meant to address.
That's a big ship, but not exceptionally huge. Around two-fifths the length of the Executor-class Super Star Destroyers. And at least this ship has a design purpose to delivery and fire the large planetary bombardment cannons (which hopefully will finally drowned out the old single turbolasers city killer level power output arguments at last). The walker is interesting looking and has some logical thought put into it as technological progression to correct flaws in the pervious generation of walker design.
As to the question of why the First Order didn't just build a huge fleet and instead built Starkiller Base? It is likely that Starkiller Base was an Imperial project that had already been started, so the First Order just completed it on site. The fleet building problem is that the more ships they build, the more people they need to run them, and the more likely the Republic would find out about their treaty breaking ways. In theory, the First Order would have a handful of these new Dreadnoughts and several dozen Finalizer type Star Destroyers and no one would really notice in a large galaxy, but they would still have been completely outnumbered and outgunned by the reduced postwar Republic Navy. If they built more, the chances of being discovered grow higher, meaing the Republic has a chance to act, either by rearming itself, or sending in the Fleet to dominate the First Order. Starkiller Base was able to do the one thing the First Order's new fleet could not do....vaporize the Republic Navy at great range without really endangering the First Order. WIth the Republic Fleet neutralized, the First Order's fleet now has the advantage even if they only have a hundred ships (compared to the Galactic Empire's tens of thousands of ships or the Clone Wars era fleets with thousands of ships all across the galaxy on both sides of the war).
As to the question of why the First Order didn't just build a huge fleet and instead built Starkiller Base? It is likely that Starkiller Base was an Imperial project that had already been started, so the First Order just completed it on site. The fleet building problem is that the more ships they build, the more people they need to run them, and the more likely the Republic would find out about their treaty breaking ways. In theory, the First Order would have a handful of these new Dreadnoughts and several dozen Finalizer type Star Destroyers and no one would really notice in a large galaxy, but they would still have been completely outnumbered and outgunned by the reduced postwar Republic Navy. If they built more, the chances of being discovered grow higher, meaing the Republic has a chance to act, either by rearming itself, or sending in the Fleet to dominate the First Order. Starkiller Base was able to do the one thing the First Order's new fleet could not do....vaporize the Republic Navy at great range without really endangering the First Order. WIth the Republic Fleet neutralized, the First Order's fleet now has the advantage even if they only have a hundred ships (compared to the Galactic Empire's tens of thousands of ships or the Clone Wars era fleets with thousands of ships all across the galaxy on both sides of the war).
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