Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread
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I don't think we have enough absolute concrete details about the era Rey was born in to totally rule anything out.
We don't even know for sure who Rey's mother is, so I don't think we could rule anything out in the second scenario, which is based almost entirely around her.
I just looked through Luke's canon entry on Wikipedia and I don't see anything that rules any of this out there.
I'm thinking we should just stop at this point, because unless you've actually read the scripts from TLJ and IX (which I don't think has even been written yet) and can lay out exactly what is said about Rey's family and backstory, I'm not going to be convinced.
We don't even know for sure who Rey's mother is, so I don't think we could rule anything out in the second scenario, which is based almost entirely around her.
I just looked through Luke's canon entry on Wikipedia and I don't see anything that rules any of this out there.
I'm thinking we should just stop at this point, because unless you've actually read the scripts from TLJ and IX (which I don't think has even been written yet) and can lay out exactly what is said about Rey's family and backstory, I'm not going to be convinced.
Look, we were lucky just to get Thrawn back and that was because he was too awesome a villain to leave out. Mara Jade is never coming back. Period.
We will be getting a Mara-equivalent for Rey's mom, though. In fact, I'm certain we've already met her. She's hiding in plain view.
We will be getting a Mara-equivalent for Rey's mom, though. In fact, I'm certain we've already met her. She's hiding in plain view.
Either. The more likely one is that Luke doesn't know or thinks his daughter is dead with Rey's mother.
Truth is, there is an absolutely huge gap now in the canon between the Battle of Jakku and Bloodlines where we know basically nothing of what happened other than Rey was born at some point around ten years after the Battle of Jakku and was left on Jakku some five to eight years after that. Bloodlines doesn't take place for another five to eight or so years after that. So we have a huge gap in our knowledge of what people were doing. Ben Solo was born around the time of the Battle of Jakku. Luke started train new Jedi as some point but sometime between one and five years before TFA, Kylo Ren kills the other Jedi students and Luke goes missing in his search for Jedi lore.
Truth is, there is an absolutely huge gap now in the canon between the Battle of Jakku and Bloodlines where we know basically nothing of what happened other than Rey was born at some point around ten years after the Battle of Jakku and was left on Jakku some five to eight years after that. Bloodlines doesn't take place for another five to eight or so years after that. So we have a huge gap in our knowledge of what people were doing. Ben Solo was born around the time of the Battle of Jakku. Luke started train new Jedi as some point but sometime between one and five years before TFA, Kylo Ren kills the other Jedi students and Luke goes missing in his search for Jedi lore.
Do you mean Phasma? Is there any other semi-prominent female in TFA (or someone who actually survived RO)?
That's exactly who I mean. British accent like Rey, one hell of a fighter like Rey (at least when not ambushed by a Wookiee), wields a staff like Rey, wears a mask and cape (like you-know-who did in the Classic Trilogy), Kylo's chief henchwoman yet seems to be treated more like an equal by him. Gwendoline Christie's 38 but can play slightly older (40-ish), so potentially matches up as having birthed a 19-20 year old Rey. She's suddenly getting both a comic and a novel, putting her front-and-center in the publicity buildup to TLJ; the latter has her up against somebody trying to discover "her mysterious origins—and (expose) a secret she guards as zealously and ruthlessly as she serves her masters."
The Vanity Fair photo of her indicates we'll see Phasma unmasked in this movie, and since we already know what Gwendoline looks like under it, that silver helmet is only coming off in that film for a very dramatic purpose. Say, alongside Kylo Ren vs. Luke and Rey both?
The Vanity Fair photo of her indicates we'll see Phasma unmasked in this movie, and since we already know what Gwendoline looks like under it, that silver helmet is only coming off in that film for a very dramatic purpose. Say, alongside Kylo Ren vs. Luke and Rey both?
I've seen the drafts. Even if it isn't as concrete as some might think, it certainly was not established until much later on, closer to ROTJ writing. Since so many characters merged and changeed I agree that a precise trail is not likely to be 100% but I think close enough.
Which is a good thing, in my opinion. I was a bit opposed to Thrawn's return, and am still iffy on it, but it's done. Mara Jade needs to remain non-canon.
I believe there is information included on the Complete Saga Blu-ray release of the series concerning ANH that indicates that Lucas did in fact have the Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker/Leia Organa interconnected backstory decided upon by the time he finished his final shooting draft of that film, even if little to nothing of said backstory was actually included in it.
I will have to review that, but it wasn't in the older drafts that I have seen in other books. As I said, I am skeptical that we will ever know the full story, because Lucas likes to retcon it as well. I respect the man, but that doesn't mean I believe every word of the development of the story.
I am pretty sure he didn't as of A New Hope. Even as late as the Empire Strikes Back, while there was the idea of Luke having a long lost sister, it was not, at that time, Leia. The thought was to introduce someone new in either the third film, or have that be something for the follow on trilogy. Various rewrites and other issues cause him to change him mind by the time of writing Revenge of the Jedi so that instead of introducing someone new, just resolve the love triangle and mystery of the "other last Hope" by making Leia the sister and this take Luke out of the triangle, leaving only Han Solo as the romantic lead and Luke as the hero of Return of the Jedi.
Maybe it's my 'macro-knowledge' of the franchise clouding my perceptions, but I swear there are subtle things in ANH and TESB - even going back to the pre-Special Edition releases - that hint at the familial link between Vader, Luke, and Leia.
But that's a subject for another place and time.
Either way, the scenario we saw unfold in the OT is very different to what we saw unfold in TFA with Rey and what we've been shown/told regarding her backstory, to the point that, as I noted, it's not actually possible to look at the former and draw conclusions about it that would be applicable to the latter.
But that's a subject for another place and time.
Either way, the scenario we saw unfold in the OT is very different to what we saw unfold in TFA with Rey and what we've been shown/told regarding her backstory, to the point that, as I noted, it's not actually possible to look at the former and draw conclusions about it that would be applicable to the latter.
Have you seen the Internet?
Yes, the scenario is different, but the larger "macro" point is that Star Wars will do things that benefit the story that don't necessarily track otherwise.
Regardless, the larger point that the SW Saga has become the Skywalker Saga lends credence to fan theories, and little but blunt statements about Rey's origin will put to rest the speculation. Which, the production teams and story groups tend not to do, as they prefer to tease.
I like this theory... I really like it. Maybe her "division" includes using Force techniques to brainwash the nuStormtroopers.
Leaving children behind may be consistent with First Order methods (considering what happened to Finn), but this would require an explanation why she has a connection to a Skywalker lightsabre and why the First Order either lost custody over her or failed to recognise her potential (when she was left behind). Kylo clearly was very interested in her from the get-go. If she was Phasma's daughter, shouldn't they have taken control of Rey long ago?
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I don't actually expect Mara to be Rey's mother, I mainly just put in there as a joke.
Like I said before, I don't want to totally rule anything out until the movie comes out, but this seems unlikely to me. I think her bigger role in TLJ is just because people thought she looked cool in TFA, so now they want to give her more to do this time.
I just came across some new information - courtesy of Rian Johnson - that casts further doubt on the Rey Skywalker thing even though it doesn't directly address it:
“To me, it’s important insofar as it’s important to her,” Johnson says. “And I think it’s important to her in terms of what is her place in all of this? What’s going to define her in this story? She was told in the last movie that the answer’s not in the past; it’s looking forward. But she’s showing up on this island to talk to this hero from the past.”
Rey being a Skywalker is not the kind of thing that would, in Johnson's words, only "be important because it's important to her". It's something that would be a defining moment for the plot of the Sequel Trilogy as a whole. (Source: Entertainment Weekly)
“To me, it’s important insofar as it’s important to her,” Johnson says. “And I think it’s important to her in terms of what is her place in all of this? What’s going to define her in this story? She was told in the last movie that the answer’s not in the past; it’s looking forward. But she’s showing up on this island to talk to this hero from the past.”
Rey being a Skywalker is not the kind of thing that would, in Johnson's words, only "be important because it's important to her". It's something that would be a defining moment for the plot of the Sequel Trilogy as a whole. (Source: Entertainment Weekly)
Huh? Is this how you accumulated your other evidence? Wildly speculate on why you think someone said something instead of saying something else? And then make a completely non-existent connection that suits your argument: "This shows Rey isn't a Skywalker even though he didn't say anything about Rey being a Skywalker."
No, it shows that Rian Johnson isn't going to reveal anything big about the plot of this film, ESPECIALLY what might be the biggest surprise of the trilogy.
It's important to her because she has no clue who she is, and her quest is to find out. He's talking about character development, not the storyline of the movies themselves.
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