Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread

[DigificWriter]

Rey being a Skywalker would be PLOT-IMPORTANT, and Johnson flat-out says that the question of Rey's family is merely CHARACTER-IMPORTANT.

It seems fairly clear that part of the goal of the TLJ marketing campaign, such as it's been, is to mitigate people's expectations a bit. Otherwise, there's no reason for Johnson to answer the question he was asked about Rey's family and its significance to the narrative of TLJ on the whole, and no reason for his answer to take the form that it did.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Rey being a Skywalker would be PLOT-IMPORTANT, and Johnson flat-out says that the question of Rey's family is merely CHARACTER-IMPORTANT.

You are completely inventing something that Johnson didn't say in order to prop up your position. Why should he specify "plot-important" as opposed to "character-important"? Unless he was asked "Is Rey's heritage plot-important or character-important?", I have no clue why he would have to specify. And if Rey's parentage -- no matter who it is -- isn't plot important, I guess I just don't understand the distinction.

Oh, and one more point:

“And I think it’s important to her in terms of what is her place in all of this? What’s going to define her in this story? She was told in the last movie that the answer’s not in the past; it’s looking forward. But she’s showing up on this island to talk to this hero from the past.”

I believe he is saying that her character-important discovery is VERY much plot-important (see the bolded quote above).

 

[fireproof78]

Rey being a Skywalker would be PLOT-IMPORTANT, and Johnson flat-out says that the question of Rey's family is merely CHARACTER-IMPORTANT.

It seems fairly clear that part of the goal of the TLJ marketing campaign, such as it's been, is to mitigate people's expectations a bit. Otherwise, there's no reason for Johnson to answer the question he was asked about Rey's family and its significance to the narrative of TLJ on the whole, and no reason for his answer to take the form that it did.

And marketing is always honest?

Sorry, but I'm still skeptical.

 

[Ithekro]

It is good to remain skeptical on this matter until it is resolved, or the credits from Episode IX roll and it won't matter again until Episode X and the fourth trilogy gets announced.

 

[Kor]

I hope she's a Kenobi.

Kor

 

[Rowan Sjet]

No offence to Obi, but I really hope not as on it's face it adds literally nothing to the story, and they have to explain 3 generations instead of just 2.

 

[DigificWriter]

It is good to remain skeptical on this matter until it is resolved, or the credits from Episode IX roll and it won't matter again until Episode X and the fourth trilogy gets announced.

And marketing is always honest?

Sorry, but I'm still skeptical.

Contrary to what some people want to believe, creators are not, as a general rule, looking to lie to people when promoting their projects.

JJ Abrams lied about Kelvin!Kahn, yes, but that is not justification for assuming that other creators are lying when they make comments regarding their own projects, and at a certain point skepticism becomes cynicism and denial.

 

[fireproof78]

Contrary to what some people want to believe, creators are not, as a general rule, looking to lie to people when promoting their projects.

JJ Abrams lied about Kelvin!Kahn, yes, but that is not justification for assuming that other creators are lying when they make comments regarding their own projects, and at a certain point skepticism becomes cynicism and denial.

Sure it does. But, that hasn't been my experience, and, while I don't think they need to lie, I also see the point of view that the truth of Rey's parentage will not be accepted until its stated on screen.

It's not contrary-it's just observation. They may not lie, but they will not revel all either, hence, skepticism.

I don't see why the "Wait and see" mode of thinking is being opposed here.

 

[DigificWriter]

Sure it does. But, that hasn't been my experience

Give me some specific examples that demonstrate a pervasive pattern of creators lying about their projects.

It's not contrary-it's just observation. They may not lie, but they will not revel all either, hence, skepticism.

Again, give me examples of creators "not revealing all", especially when they're choosing to directly address things and give actual answers to questions being posed to them rather than just being noncommittal.

I don't see why the "Wait and see" mode of thinking is being opposed here.

Because the prevailing pattern of behavior that has been demonstrated does not support there being anything to "wait and see" about.

 

[fireproof78]

Give me some specific examples that demonstrate a pervasive pattern of creators lying about their projects.



Again, give me examples of creators "not revealing all", especially when they're choosing to directly address things and give actual answers to questions being posed to them rather than just being noncommittal.



Because the prevailing pattern of behavior that has been demonstrated does not support there being anything to "wait and see" about.

Fine, I can't remember any other than Abrams, Karl Urban and Lucas.

So, not relevant here.

You win. Congratulations.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Inquisitors are not Sith and they all used lightsabers in Rebels.

The organization of Inquisitors was created by the Sith Lords Darth Sidious and Darth Vader, and they served the Sith. It's leaving out important information to say that they are not Sith and leave it at that.

By the time of Rebels, Ahsoka is not a Jedi but she uses a lightsaber, two in fact. Yet it would be omitting important information to insist that she qualifies full stop as an example of someone wielding a lightsaber who is neither jedi nor Sith. No, the fact is, she was trained as a Jedi. Furthermore, it's evident that the Inquisitors were trained by Jedi, former Jedi, and/or Sith Lords.

Similar remarks apply to Ezra. He's not "really" Jedi, and he's not Sith. But he's been trained by someone who was originally in the Jedi order, with influences from a former Sith as well.

 

[Ithekro]

Give me some specific examples that demonstrate a pervasive pattern of creators lying about their projects.

The easiest one is Steven Moffat of Doctor Who. He's basically come out and said he's lying, but you never know for sure about what.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ One guy doing that does not constitute a pervasive pattern.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Give me some specific examples that demonstrate a pervasive pattern of creators lying about their projects.

Look, it's pretty simple: they don't want to reveal the big surprise of their movie, even if someone directly asks them to do so. And they aren't testifying under oath, so no one -- except you, apparently -- will ever hold them in contempt if they're not telling (or even hinting at) the truth.

 

[DigificWriter]

Let me spell it out for you: they don't want to reveal the big surprise of their movie, even if someone directly asks them to. And they aren't testifying under oath, so no one -- except, you, apparently -- will ever hold them in contempt if they're not telling (or even hinting at) the truth.

I understand the concept of not wanting to reveal significant details; however, if you're operating under that mindset, it is counterintuitive to sit there and actually answer questions that are specifically 'detail-related', or else actively set out to comment on/clarify certain fan theories/questions in ways that reveal specific details of how things actually are narratively. It defeats the entire purpose of "not wanting to reveal significant details".

If the people who are involved with the Sequel Trilogy actually wanted the "Rey Skywalker" thing to be an open question to be answered by TLJ, they would not have engaged in a systematic and consistent pattern of issuing comments/clarifications of certain specific theories/plot ideas that are completely contrary to said theories/plot ideas. It's as simple as that, and I do not understand why it is so damn hard for people to accept/realize that.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pablo has a policy of not answering questions relating to future stories, and even he has denied the Skywalker connection.

I think it is safe to say, that at this moment in time, they're not connected.

That may change in the future

 

[DigificWriter]

That may change in the future

Not likely.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I understand the concept of not wanting to reveal significant details; however, if you're operating under that mindset, it is counterintuitive to sit there and actually answer questions that are specifically 'detail-related', or else actively set out to comment on/clarify certain fan theories/questions in ways that reveal specific details of how things actually are narratively. It defeats the entire purpose of "not wanting to reveal significant details".

If the people who are involved with the Sequel Trilogy actually wanted the "Rey Skywalker" thing to be an open question to be answered by TLJ, they would not have engaged in a systematic and consistent pattern of issuing comments/clarifications of certain specific theories/plot ideas that are completely contrary to said theories/plot ideas. It's as simple as that, and I do not understand why it is so damn hard for people to accept/realize that.

I just don't see any compelling evidence that suggests the events of TFA, nor the evidence you've presented from interviews, point to Rey conclusively not being a Skywalker. Rather, you've shown us that you are selectively interpreting statements made in interviews to suit that argument.

Again, just because a production staff member is asked point blank to answer a specific question, doesn't mean that they have to answer it truthfully. They are not under oath. If I made a movie with a HUGE secret reveal, and the media kept asking me "TELL US WHAT THE HUGE SECRET REVEAL IS!", I would be more inclined to just screw with them a mislead them with a ton of red herrings.

Then when the movie comes out and it turns out I lied, no one would care and the world would keep turning.

Since you're so adamant about your position, let me as you (and presumably you'll tell the truth, since you're supposed to if asked any question): are you associated with the production of TLJ, or with Disney/Lucasfilm? If so, do you have UNDENIABLE evidence that Rey is not a Skywalker? If so, tell us what it is. Spoil it for us. What's the big reveal of TLJ?

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm not "selectively interpreting" anything; I'm taking things as they have been presented and refusing to believe, as you and others clearly do, that there's a pervasive "misinformation campaign" going on.

You're free to believe whatever you want; that doesn't mean I'm not also free to criticize you for believing that way, especially when the facts as they've been presented do not support your viewpoint.

And, no, I'm not affiliated with Lucasfilm. However, I'm convinced, based on the pervasive pattern of behavior of individuals who ARE affiliated with Lucasfilm, that TLJ isn't going to contain some "big reveal" at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

Non-story cameo spoilers

Spoiler

John Boyega has said that Prince Harry, William and also Tom Hardy will have cameos in the last jedi . Though he thinks the scene with the princes was taken out
http://m.screendaily.com/5120964.article