Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread
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Watched The Force Awakens yesterday.
In no way do I think Rey is a Skywalker or a Solo by birth and bloodline. The only thing that keeps bugging me, is how she reacts to the saber (the force-vision) and how Maz sorta implies that's because of relations. I dunno.
For a moment, I wondered if Rey could be a clone of Luke or Anakin. In scifi (maybe even real world, I know nothing about cloning) it's easy enough to change gender in a clone. So maybe......
In no way do I think Rey is a Skywalker or a Solo by birth and bloodline. The only thing that keeps bugging me, is how she reacts to the saber (the force-vision) and how Maz sorta implies that's because of relations. I dunno.
For a moment, I wondered if Rey could be a clone of Luke or Anakin. In scifi (maybe even real world, I know nothing about cloning) it's easy enough to change gender in a clone. So maybe......
^ Maz doesn't "imply" anything about Rey's parentage; all she says is that whoever Rey is waiting for (she [Maz] doesn't know who that is, BTW) isn't coming back, but that someone else could come for Rey instead (Luke); as confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo, Luke is not the "whoever you're waiting for" that Maz references, but an entirely different and separate person.
That's not the line I was refering to though. "That saber...belonged to Luke, and his father before him. And now, it calls to you" with an emphasis on 'you'. It's easy to see that as Maz implying that it calls to her because she's connected to it by blood.
Now, again, I personally don't think she's Luke's child. But I'm saying that THAT's the only line for me that COULD imply that she is.
Here's the video where Maz says that line, begins at 2.30.
Not ignoring, interpreting differently.
Darth Vader was in the same room as his daughter multiple times and Luke and Leia spent years together without realising so???
I like how these are the only scenarios you seem able to come up with, thereby making them easy for you to dismiss. There's more possibilities than that.
Again, direct Skywalker relatives have interacted on screen multiple times before without realising they're family. And how exactly would a subconscious recognition manifest on screen hmm? Maybe only after the fact, with a "Somehow, I've always known" perhaps?
Look, Rey may or not be a Skywalker. I personally see it as the scenario that will be the most emotionally satisfying for the story, but I'm open to a few other possibilities. We don't know yet, and won't know until ep 8 or even 9 come out. You've just got a viewpoint that you're narrowing your evidence down to so it fits that view, and your constant posts claiming that it's us that are all in denial are getting annoying.
I hope she is not a Skywalker- that screwed up family has been at the center of things far too often.
I don't have a "viewpoint" on this; I actually walked out of TFA believing that there was a small possibility that Luke could be Rey's father, but once people with direct involvement in the franchise started coming out and systematically deflating everything about the film that hinted at "Rey Skywalker", it became obvious that the direction they were headed in was not "Rey Skywalker" .
I will admit that I get a bit heated about this topic sometimes, so I'm going to back off. I've put the evidence out there; people can take it or leave it as they will (even if I'm baffled by the latter).
Vader didn't react because he had no idea he even had a child, let alone two. As far as he was concerned, his child died unborn along with Padme. The only reason he cottoned on to Luke was basic deduction; last name Skywalker, came from Tatooine in the company of Kenobi.
Now are you seriously suggesting Leia wouldn't know Luke had a child? What would be the point of that exactly?
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It's all a red hearing I tell you!!
Nah, I think I agree with you. Like I posted above, that one line about the saber is the only thing that made me think she MIGHT be a Skywalker. But other than that, there really wasn't anything in the entire movie that made me feel she's a Skywalker. Mostly because it would be just to much of a cliche. And I can't believe for once this new team of writers are that simple.
All Bloodline establishes was that Rey was hidden away years before Ben went dark and took the New Jedi Order down. It was never said that the two events were linked.
How could they forget about a niece they never knew existed? And there was absolutely a LOT about Rey that triggered some familiarity in Han, in the brief scenes they had together. In his eyes, it was the wide-eyed farm boy from Tatooine all over again, albeit without any suspicion of an actual link. And her one scene with Leia - literally 'no words need be said.'
Something was clicking in Ben/Kylo's mind about her, beyond her having the Force.
Who said Luke was the one who took off? I'm suspecting that Rey's mom - if she's who I think she is - left Luke without telling him she was pregnant, possibly before she even knew herself (like, the morning after conception).
Well, be fair, there was quite a lot going on at the time. She did have a father-daughter-like connection with Han in the little time they had together, enough for Kylo to remark about. Leia, see above. As for Luke... we'll see.
"A cliche is a cliche because it works." - Feige Gornish
I want to believe you, but others are free to interpret it differently, and have done so, and production teams have misled audiences before.
So, while I'm annoyed and potentially even angry at the possibility, I also respect the skepticism.
Let's be fair: Star Wars has not always had the most complicated of stories.
He is one of the members of the LucasFilm Story Group team
They're basically the holders of (canon and legends) star wars knowledge. If someone working on the IP wants to know something, they ask them. They're also consulted on projects, including the movies.
They're not the end all though, writers can skirt around the canon if they want if it makes the story better.
Pablo has a twitter account where he will occasionally answer questions about the lore.
Some certaing things related to some parts of the theory might have been disproven, but there are still ways it could happen.
They last saw her as a child, she an adult now, that's really all that needs to be said here. Is really that easy for people to recognize a 20 year whole they last saw when they were a young child? Honestly, the whole concept is absoultely mind boggling for me. I'm not good with recognizing people, there are people who I've worked with for years who I barely recognize when they aren't wearing their work clothes, even if I just saw them the day before. This is all assuming Luke even knew about her, for all we know no one in the Skywalker/Solo family even knew she existed.
If he knew about her.
6) Believing that Rey wouldn't have recognized, even subconsciously, that she had some kind of connection to Han, Leia, and Luke (even if she'd suppressed actual memories of her parents due to trauma of some sort)[/QUOTE]
Luke didn't instantly recognize his connection to Vader, or Leia.
Well this the Skywalker family saga, and the Chosen One thing kind of makes them a big deal.
Luke wasn't looking to find his father or a sister (the first he believed to be dead and the last he didn't know about.
Trying to point to scenarios from Episodes IV-VI as if they have any relevance to the question of Rey's paraentage is a useless exercise because we are not even remotely dealing with equivalent scenarios.
Trying to point to scenarios from Episodes IV-VI as if they have any relevance to the question of Rey's paraentage is a useless exercise because we are not even remotely dealing with equivalent scenarios.
Who is planning to see Episode VIII in IMAX 3-D?
I saw Episode VII in that format and it was a wonderful experience.
I saw Episode VII in that format and it was a wonderful experience.
I will be seeing it in IMAX 3D. I can't wait and it is the best movie viewing experience.
I agree. Such an "epic" feel, and if you reserve it for only certain films, it REALLY enhances the experience.
That's because he didn't have one at that point in time in the story-retcons be a pain.
And, we are still discussing familial connection through the Force, which Leia "always knew" that Luke was her brother. Again, it's a retcon, and the idea that family can sense family isn't outside established lore.
Hence, different interpretations of the evidence.
I do not believe this is as factual a statement as people think it is, at least not by the time Lucas finalized his shooting draft of ANH.
Here are two scenarios for how Rey could be Luke's daughter
1) While training his students Luke meets and falls in love with a woman (possibly one with red hair who used to be an Imperial agent who first comes after Luke looking to kill him *winkwink* *nudgenudge*), and they have a daughter. Luke either learns about or senses some sort of danger, fearing for his daughter's safety he sends her off world with her mother, both now living under aliases. He has Han, Leia, and everyone who knows them swear that they will never tell anyone, including his daughter herself, who she really is.
The danger eventually catches up with the girl's mother, let's call her Mara, just for shits and giggles, and with no other way to keep her safe she gives the girl to Unkar Plunt on Jakku. She is killed before she can tell anyone where the is and nobody ever finds out what happened to her. The girl is left on Jakku until we meet her as Rey in TFA.
2) Luke and Mara meet, fall in love, and Mara becomes pregnant. Mara, who has always been a loner, and never stayed in one place long freaks out, and leaves without telling Luke about their daughter. She has the girl and raises her for the first few years of her life, telling her stories about Lukem The Jedi, the Rebellion and the Empire. She eventually runs into some kind of a danger, and is forced to leave the girl with Unkar Plunt on Jakku, and sets off back to Luke to get help and tell him about the girl, but is killed before she can get there. The girl is left on Jakku until we meet her as Rey in TFA.
1) While training his students Luke meets and falls in love with a woman (possibly one with red hair who used to be an Imperial agent who first comes after Luke looking to kill him *winkwink* *nudgenudge*), and they have a daughter. Luke either learns about or senses some sort of danger, fearing for his daughter's safety he sends her off world with her mother, both now living under aliases. He has Han, Leia, and everyone who knows them swear that they will never tell anyone, including his daughter herself, who she really is.
The danger eventually catches up with the girl's mother, let's call her Mara, just for shits and giggles, and with no other way to keep her safe she gives the girl to Unkar Plunt on Jakku. She is killed before she can tell anyone where the is and nobody ever finds out what happened to her. The girl is left on Jakku until we meet her as Rey in TFA.
2) Luke and Mara meet, fall in love, and Mara becomes pregnant. Mara, who has always been a loner, and never stayed in one place long freaks out, and leaves without telling Luke about their daughter. She has the girl and raises her for the first few years of her life, telling her stories about Lukem The Jedi, the Rebellion and the Empire. She eventually runs into some kind of a danger, and is forced to leave the girl with Unkar Plunt on Jakku, and sets off back to Luke to get help and tell him about the girl, but is killed before she can get there. The girl is left on Jakku until we meet her as Rey in TFA.
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