Episode Eight Pre-Release Thread
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^That was exactly what I was thinking of. There was also an incident where they showed the two leads in Bones together and the creator said it wasn't a dream, and then it turned out the whole episode was a dream. My mom watches it too, and she said she even saw an interview after it aired where just admitted that he lied, without even trying to get around it.Those two incidents alone have pretty much destroyed all trust I have in the producers and writers of these kinds of shows.
"The Last Jedi: Rey takes her first steps toward uncovering her family history"
http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/11/the-last-jedi-rey-family/
We will be learning a little bit of where she came from in TLJ.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/11/the-last-jedi-rey-family/
We will be learning a little bit of where she came from in TLJ.
I'm surprised to hear we will be getting an answer, or at least most of it, in TLJ, I was expecting to maybe get a couple more vague hints leading into a bit reveal in EP IX.
The way the article talks about good and bad, almost makes me wonder if she might be related to bad guys.
Just read the article on Benicio Del Toro's character DJ, which does reveal a bit more character.
He's part of Finn and Rose's story on Canto Bight, and he joins them because they need his skills as a hacker/codebreaker, which are are splicers in the SW universe. He's apparently, not really a bad guy or a good guy, he's just out for himself.
Edit: The final article is up, the title is about the bad guys, but it also talked about Chewie and Maz.
No huge reveals in this, but it does sound like the aftermath of Han's death and how it effected everyone will be a big part of the movie.
Maz has a smaller role this time, but it's is very important.
The way the article talks about good and bad, almost makes me wonder if she might be related to bad guys.
Just read the article on Benicio Del Toro's character DJ, which does reveal a bit more character.
He's part of Finn and Rose's story on Canto Bight, and he joins them because they need his skills as a hacker/codebreaker, which are are splicers in the SW universe. He's apparently, not really a bad guy or a good guy, he's just out for himself.
Edit: The final article is up, the title is about the bad guys, but it also talked about Chewie and Maz.
No huge reveals in this, but it does sound like the aftermath of Han's death and how it effected everyone will be a big part of the movie.
Maz has a smaller role this time, but it's is very important.
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I actually thought daughter while I was reading the article, but I realize now that I mixed up my timeline and it would have to be granddaughter.
I hadn't wanted to "clutter" this thread, but with people asking me to explain/outline some of the ways that the "Rey Skywalker" thing has been put to rest, I'm going to give some examples:
1) TFA itself (as noted, nothing about Han and Leia's behavior in the film is consistent with their ever having encountered her prior to those events or being familiar with her in any way)
2) Statements/comments from JJ Abrams, specifically "Rey's parents are not in The Force Awakens" (Tribecca 2016), "Leia does not know who Rey is or recognize her beyond her being the girl that Han mentioned in passing" (Entertainment Weekly interview, December 2016), and "Kylo Ren has never met Rey before" (The Force Awakens audio commentary)
3) Twitter statements from Pablo Hidalgo, specifically "Kylo Ren 'recognizes' Rey only as the 'awakening' he and Snoke felt", "If you're asking if Rey has already been left on Jakku during Bloodline, then yes. She's been there a while", "Kylo Ren's attack happened more recently than 14/15 years before TFA", " And that the person she's waiting for is never coming back. Would it make sense if Maz meant someone who's upstairs?", and "So. yeah. Two separate people".
4) Daisy Ridley herself: "How do you know? Have you seen the film? Clearly not, because I wasn't." (in relation to fans believing her to be Han's daughter)
5) Bloodline establishing that, by the time Ben turned, Rey had already been on Jakku for years, something that Pablo Hidalgo had also said was the case previous to the novel's release
6) Daisy Ridley flat-out stating that Luke and Rey don't know each other prior to Rey showing up on Ach-To: "Obviously, he doesn't even know who she is when she turns up with this freaking lightsaber that he's not seen in however long," said Ridley. "So that in itself is a big difference." ( Star Wars Celebration 2017“) and "I don’t think one girl, who he doesn’t know, turning up with a lightsaber is gonna make him go, ‘Oh, s—, yeah, of course I’ll get back into the action" (Entertainment Weekly interview, a few days ago)
7) Footage of The Last Jedi that was shown to Disney shareholders revealing that Luke's first words to Rey are
There are other statements/comments from Pablo, JJ, and others that I can no longer find, as well as pieces of info from the Visual Guide that I can't currently find that further cast doubt on the "Rey Skywalker" theory, but the above 8 examples paint a pretty stark picture and demonstrate a pretty consistent pattern.
Note: I had previously confused Daisy's statements about Rey as having been made by Hamill, and alluded to such earlier in this thread and in private
1) TFA itself (as noted, nothing about Han and Leia's behavior in the film is consistent with their ever having encountered her prior to those events or being familiar with her in any way)
2) Statements/comments from JJ Abrams, specifically "Rey's parents are not in The Force Awakens" (Tribecca 2016), "Leia does not know who Rey is or recognize her beyond her being the girl that Han mentioned in passing" (Entertainment Weekly interview, December 2016), and "Kylo Ren has never met Rey before" (The Force Awakens audio commentary)
3) Twitter statements from Pablo Hidalgo, specifically "Kylo Ren 'recognizes' Rey only as the 'awakening' he and Snoke felt", "If you're asking if Rey has already been left on Jakku during Bloodline, then yes. She's been there a while", "Kylo Ren's attack happened more recently than 14/15 years before TFA", " And that the person she's waiting for is never coming back. Would it make sense if Maz meant someone who's upstairs?", and "So. yeah. Two separate people".
4) Daisy Ridley herself: "How do you know? Have you seen the film? Clearly not, because I wasn't." (in relation to fans believing her to be Han's daughter)
5) Bloodline establishing that, by the time Ben turned, Rey had already been on Jakku for years, something that Pablo Hidalgo had also said was the case previous to the novel's release
6) Daisy Ridley flat-out stating that Luke and Rey don't know each other prior to Rey showing up on Ach-To: "Obviously, he doesn't even know who she is when she turns up with this freaking lightsaber that he's not seen in however long," said Ridley. "So that in itself is a big difference." ( Star Wars Celebration 2017“) and "I don’t think one girl, who he doesn’t know, turning up with a lightsaber is gonna make him go, ‘Oh, s—, yeah, of course I’ll get back into the action" (Entertainment Weekly interview, a few days ago)
7) Footage of The Last Jedi that was shown to Disney shareholders revealing that Luke's first words to Rey are
Who are you?
There are other statements/comments from Pablo, JJ, and others that I can no longer find, as well as pieces of info from the Visual Guide that I can't currently find that further cast doubt on the "Rey Skywalker" theory, but the above 8 examples paint a pretty stark picture and demonstrate a pretty consistent pattern.
Note: I had previously confused Daisy's statements about Rey as having been made by Hamill, and alluded to such earlier in this thread and in private
I have offered a valid counter point to this: there's no reason one would recognize someone as an adult whom they last saw as a toddler.
What JJ said about TFA can be completely undone by Rian Johnson, particularly if it's not canonized on film.
Who?
We're talking about her being Luke's daughter.
I recall a movie a while back in which, to protect a big secret, the following line was inserted in the script:
No, Luke. Obi Wan killed your father.
Are you Pablo Hidalgo?
You can live in denial all you want, but dismissing these valid statements/comments by either ignoring them or pretending not to know who the people making them are doesn't decrease their validity.
Also, I notice that you 'conveniently' left out the part where Daisey Ridley said - on two different occasions - that Luke has no idea who she is.
Also, I notice that you 'conveniently' left out the part where Daisey Ridley said - on two different occasions - that Luke has no idea who she is.
Because that goes with the point that whatever JJ said/wrote in TFA, it can be undone in TLJ. And, as has been mentioned already: "Cumberbatch is NOT playing Khan."
There's also the fact that they are referring to her as Rey, so since that probably isn't her real name, they can always get away with it by saying they knew her when she was a child using whatever her name really is, but didn't know her as "Rey".
That's pretty much the easiest and simplest way to get away with saying that characters don't know a person using an alias, when they actually did know them before they started using their new name.
That's pretty much the easiest and simplest way to get away with saying that characters don't know a person using an alias, when they actually did know them before they started using their new name.
I'll let fellow board member Christopher tackle that one: "If you're going to accuse someone of lying, it should be based on evidence, and "Well, some other person with a similar job lied once" is not evidence by any rational standard."
Also, if you honestly believe that Rian Johnson is going to turn around and "undo" anything that TFA did or invalidate anything that's been said about what's already been set up/confirmed as Canon, "I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona" to sell you.
You can continue clinging to the notion that "Rey Skywalker" is in any way an actual 'thing' if you want to, but don't come around here whining when TLJ puts that notion to bed once and for all.
I missed where 'Rey is not a Skywalker' has been "set up/confirmed as Canon". If it has, then you really need to put some big spoiler tags on your posts. That's a pretty huge reveal. Perhaps I should alert you to mods...
Sure, I'll cling to this fairy tale until TLJ. And if I'm wrong? Hey, who cares. I'm posting my opinion on an internet message board. Is there any bigger non-committal statement that can be made these days? (unless it's a Twitter post from Donald Trump).
I've already repeatedly outlined the ways in which the "Rey Skywalker" theory has been consistently and systematically dismantled by individuals directly involved with the franchise, individuals whose word, under Lucasfilm's new policy of "everything is Canon", is as good as showing something onscreen. I've also already repeatedly outlined information from sources such as TFA itself and the novel Bloodline that completely destroy certain aspects of the "Rey Skywalker" theory that are absolutely central to said theory.
Continuing to cling to the notion that there is any ambiguity whatsoever with regards to the idea of Rey being a Skywalker is to continue to ignore a clearly demonstrable and consistently systematic pattern of people doing everything they possibly can - intentionally - to downplay/debunk the "Rey Skywalker" theory short of actually coming out and saying "she's not a Skywalker" directly.
I don't know what else you want beyond something they clearly don't want to do, for whatever reason, but "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it's obviously a duck", and, in this case, "Rey is not a Skywalker" is the 'duck'.
Almost all of your evidence is in relation to Rey not being a Solo, as in not Han or Leia's kid, as was the prevailing theory before the film was released, before we knew exactly who Kylo Ren was, and even a bit after we did (considering in the older EU novels, the Solos had three children, with two being twins). The theory that Rey is a Skywalker relates to Luke only, not Han or Leia. The primary reason for the theory is the statement by Kathleen Kennedy about the Saga films being set around and about the Skywalker Family over generations. The PT we have it set around Anakin Skywalker, his rise and fall as a Jedi Knight. The OT we have the adventures of Luke Skywalker, his trails to become a Jedi Knight and the redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Here in the ST, we are not yet sure what we have. We have Ben Solo, the already fallen and conflicted Skywalker who is not a protagonist in the story. But we also have Rey, who is a protagonist of the story, who also has the Force, and now possession of a Skywalker blade, who is looking for Luke Skywalker. The question is, if the story is about or set around the Skywalker family, shouldn't one of the protagonists be a Skywalker? Rather than the antagonist and/or support characters? It will be clear by the end of Episode IX, but at this point it is not clear, which is why there are still questions about if Rey is a Skywalker, since she is the most likely suspect to be the protagonist Skywalker the story almost requires.
The only thing that specifically and directly relates to the "Rey Solo" thing is Ridley stating flat-out that she's not Han's daughter; everything else I posted is directly correlated to an aspect central to the "Rey Skywalker" theory (Kylo/Ben putting her on Jakku, Luke knowing her, Maz's quote equating Luke with 'those she was waiting for').
However, because of the fact that Han, Luke, and Leia are - and were - so closely linked, the things I mentioned about Leia, Han, and Ben not recognizing her do hold relevance to the "Rey Skywalker" question because, if she were in fact a Skywalker, they would have to be able to recognize her since she would've spent the first five years of her life with them (otherwise you're dealing with Luke being an "absentee dad" who impregnated some random chick and just took off afterwards).
Continuing to champion the "Rey Skywalker" theory requires the following:
1) Ignoring "word of god" statements, TFA itself, and Bloodline
2) Believing that Han and Leia forgot so completely about their 'lost niece' that there wasn't anything at all about Rey that 'triggered' any sense of familiarity or recognition from them in any way, shape, or form
3) Believing that Ben/Kylo - a direct descendant of Anakin Skywalker and someone whom
was somehow unable to recognize his 'cousin' through the Force
4) Believing that Luke was an "absentee dad" who didn't care enough about his daughter to bother trying to find her, either through the Force or conventional means, after she somehow ended up on Jakku
or
5) Believing that Luke impregnated some random chick and then took off
6) Believing that Rey wouldn't have recognized, even subconsciously, that she had some kind of connection to Han, Leia, and Luke (even if she'd suppressed actual memories of her parents due to trauma of some sort)
However, because of the fact that Han, Luke, and Leia are - and were - so closely linked, the things I mentioned about Leia, Han, and Ben not recognizing her do hold relevance to the "Rey Skywalker" question because, if she were in fact a Skywalker, they would have to be able to recognize her since she would've spent the first five years of her life with them (otherwise you're dealing with Luke being an "absentee dad" who impregnated some random chick and just took off afterwards).
Continuing to champion the "Rey Skywalker" theory requires the following:
1) Ignoring "word of god" statements, TFA itself, and Bloodline
2) Believing that Han and Leia forgot so completely about their 'lost niece' that there wasn't anything at all about Rey that 'triggered' any sense of familiarity or recognition from them in any way, shape, or form
3) Believing that Ben/Kylo - a direct descendant of Anakin Skywalker and someone whom
Luke believed to be the "Chosen One"
4) Believing that Luke was an "absentee dad" who didn't care enough about his daughter to bother trying to find her, either through the Force or conventional means, after she somehow ended up on Jakku
or
5) Believing that Luke impregnated some random chick and then took off
6) Believing that Rey wouldn't have recognized, even subconsciously, that she had some kind of connection to Han, Leia, and Luke (even if she'd suppressed actual memories of her parents due to trauma of some sort)
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