Enterprises Final Episode

[Nowhere Man]

I enjoyed ENT quite a bit. I don't think TATV sucked. I didn't think it was a great way to end the series. I personally think of Terra Prime as the end of the series. TATV is more of a coda, putting ENT into historical perspective with the rest of the Trek series.

I loved Enterprise and alway's thought Terra Prime as the last true episode, and a good one at that.TATV is possibly the worst episode of any series and definately the worst of any Star Trek series. I believe it to be the biggest rip off other than maybe the Quantum Leap series finalle.What's up with Scott Bakula and bad series finalle's?

 

[Malikon]

Yeah I liked Enterprise too. The whole premise of it being the first ship to go out that far is what attracted me to it. Plus I missed it when it was on tv. I watched all the TOS episodes growing up, and all the TNG episodes when they were airing, (yes I'm that old,) but I never got into DS9 or Voyager, I think I caught a couple episodes here and there but it never really got my interest. I actually enjoyed ENT alot, in some ways it reminded me of TOS, a small core group of people, which was cool. And I actually did like the characters very much, and alot of the stories I felt were really cool. And some of the 3 parters caused me to lose sleep, ("just one more episode and I GOTTA get to bed for work in the morni- oh crap To Be Continued? ok, just ONE MORE and then I really gotta get to bed!!") I really liked the look of the NX-01 too.

Sorry for bring up that the last TATV felt a little flat to me, I didn't know it was an episode that's been discussed and reviled so much. I wouldn't have mentioned it then. I just don't know anybody personally that has any interest in ST so this is where I go to get my fill of ST discussions.

btw, Shran was probably my favorite character, followed by Tripp and Malcolm, Tpol was an awesome character, and she really did act very Vulcan like alot of the time, though it seemed she tried to flesh the character out more by slowly acting more human. But I gotta admit alot of the time I found myself just staring at the bodysuit, lol. Especially the Mirror episodes. Even Hoshi was looking pretty hot and skanky in those episodes.

But for some reason Shran was just awesome. I can't remember what episode in was in ENT, but he saves the ship by showing up out of nowhere and when he hails them and they put him on screen he just shouts, "Tell Archer he owes me TWO!!!"

For some reason that moment really made me a fan of him. He just really has personality. And his "Pink Skin" comments always made me smile, so I was really glad to see him in the final episode.

 

[Noname Given]

Yeah, right! B&B tried to create a Trek geared to the 20 somethings who watched the other shows on WB and UPN. Don't you remember any of the original promos, or interviews/articles??? Or, the infamous Trip and T'Pol slathering biogel all over their semi nude bodies for decontamination. Yeah, right!

Funny - I was age 38 when ENT premired in 2001 - and had seen the 3rd season of TOS first run in 1969 at the age of 6; and TOS was and is still my favorite Star Trek series; but ENT is solidly #2 in my book, and I liked it from th pilot on. Was it perfect, hell no, but no Star Trek series has even been, INCLUDING TOS.

Overall, I felt it's cast had the best on-screen chemistry since TOS; overall it's first and second seasons were more watchable then either of the first or second seasons of TNG, DS9, and the utter crapfest called 'Star Trek: Voyager'; and it's 3rd and 4th seasons were overall, better witten and more entertaining than any since TOS seasons 1 and 2.

My point? Do you care to make any other silly or totally unsupported statements of what demographic ENT was appealing to?

 

[Kaziarl]

Yeah, right! B&B tried to create a Trek geared to the 20 somethings who watched the other shows on WB and UPN. Don't you remember any of the original promos, or interviews/articles??? Or, the infamous Trip and T'Pol slathering biogel all over their semi nude bodies for decontamination. Yeah, right!

Funny - I was age 38 when ENT premired in 2001 - and had seen the 3rd season of TOS first run in 1969 at the age of 6; and TOS was and is still my favorite Star Trek series; but ENT is solidly #2 in my book, and I liked it from th pilot on. Was it perfect, hell no, but no Star Trek series has even been, INCLUDING TOS.

Overall, I felt it's cast had the best on-screen chemistry since TOS; overall it's first and second seasons were more watchable then either of the first or second seasons of TNG, DS9, and the utter crapfest called 'Star Trek: Voyager'; and it's 3rd and 4th seasons were overall, better witten and more entertaining than any since TOS seasons 1 and 2.

My point? Do you care to make any other silly or totally unsupported statements of what demographic ENT was appealing to?

What obi wana said is one of the things I keep hearing, and is kind of annoying. I was born in 1985, so that makes me a "20 something" And there are several people who saw the original airing of TOS that act like our younger opinions aren't worth a bag of beans.

Noname, I agree with you. It wasn't directed at the 20 somethings. It was directed at everyone. They were trying to get the older crowd excited while bringing in some new blood.

And come on people, don't lie! I know from all the verious fan fics i've come across, some of which are disturbing, that there's a lot of you that want to see kirk rub biogel all over uhura.

 

[donners22]

I was outraged at the way Trip was treated (as much as one can be outraged by a TV show, at least), but otherwise I didn't dislike it as an episode. I disliked it as an Enterprise finale, because I didn't think they should take a backseat to TNG in their farewell.

 

[KimMH]

I hated TATV because it was the end of the line . Unlike the final episodes of TNG DS9 and VOY it wasn't scripted with the loving care the franchsie and the characters deserved. Not particularly logical or specific but it was the let-down factor. That said I love Enterprise and wish it had gotten the full benefit of 7 seasons.

 

[eepruls]

I loved Enterprise but TATV was my least favourite episode from the entire series. I've watched it a few times and I just hate it. I hate it more that Precious Cargo and A Night In Sickbay! It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I like the idea of tying it into the rest of Trek but they chose the most ridiculous and pointless thing to focus on - Riker making a decision. Who cares?! We know what he decides and his decision isn't very important in the grand scope of things. It actually takes away from the Enterprise crew and makes them secondary, not important to history because Riker's decision isn't important. I absolutely love Riker and Troi but to have them chopping vegetables talking about something I don't care about IN A FINALE is pointless.

Shran's storyline was stupid as well. It felt rushed and silly. And don't even get me started on Trip's death. Where the hell were the MACO's or Reed and a security team? The entire deck is empty! There's a boarding party in the ship and your captain and Chief Engineer aren't on the bridge. Why wasn't anyone communicating? I just hate when they throw in a death because they think that will get good ratings or that it's needed in a finale. It was a stupid, rushed death and I don't look at it as heroic but rather pointless. The first time I watched it I thought he was stalling until security got there. He went through a hell of a lot more in the Expanse! And once he died there was no emotional connection because they moved on so quickly.

The finale left me feeling depressed and annoyed. Instead of feeling like this crew made a difference and was vital the birth of the Federation (like I did before the finale), I found myself thinking of Trip's rushed death and Riker! The episode should have been uplifting (Riker makes his decision, Shran gets his daughter, the Federation is born, Enterprise made a difference, etc.). Killing Trip and choosing to focus on some stupid decision nobody cares about was ill-conceived and totally unessessary.

 

[frenchman]

i totally agree with you, eepruls!!

except for the trip's death. i mean : killing trip, why not, it was the final episode and trip was one of the most popular character of the show (may be the most popular) after all. but to die like that, no way !!! and with the crew who don't care about his death, no way either. and t'pol with who he had a baby : i know she's a vulcan and there's the emotion thing, but come on, a little pain would have been good.
the thing what hoshi said to riker about trip, my god, very shoking.

anyway, with the trip's death, the writers would have been write an episode more emotionnal and more connected with the story line of the show.

for me, terra prime is the final episode of the show, far better than tatv.

 

[eepruls]

i totally agree with you, eepruls!!

except for the trip's death. i mean : killing trip, why not, it was the final episode and trip was one of the most popular character of the show (may be the most popular) after all. but to die like that, no way !!! and with the crew who don't care about his death, no way either. and t'pol with who he had a baby : i know she's a vulcan and there's the emotion thing, but come on, a little pain would have been good.
the thing what hoshi said to riker about trip, my god, very shoking.

anyway, with the trip's death, the writers would have been write an episode more emotionnal and more connected with the story line of the show.

for me, terra prime is the final episode of the show, far better than tatv.

Agreed. One of the most popular character's is killed and it's almost glossed over. I just don't think they needed to kill him in the finale unless the entire episode was about it. I don't have a problem with the death of a character if it's handled properly (e.g. Jadzia Dax). I don't like killing characters in finales however. It feels cheap and thrown in for ratings. Killing Trip leaves fans saddened that their favourite character is dead. That is the last thought you're left with in the series - that someone died.

All the uplifting stuff like the signing of the Federation charter at the end has less impact because you're thinking, "damn, Trip should be there in those seats". But since they complain about their nosebleed seats instead of the fact that Trip isn't there to enjoy the moment as well, I was left feeling angry that Trip was disposed of for no reason. There wasn't any need to kill Trip because we know how loyal and heroic he already is. With only four seasons, the audience should have been left pondering what the crew will do for the next 3 years (full 7 seasons) instead of the fact that Trip is gone!

 

[Mach5]

But since they complain about their nosebleed seats instead of the fact that Trip isn't there to enjoy the moment as well

If I had been there with Hoshi, Mal and the other guy, I would have slapped the shit out of them for making such distasteful remarks.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I hated These are the Voyages...still do. Season Four was really good up until the point and should have done something like an aftermath of the Terra Prime incident and maybe a tease of the Romulan War or something. Having Riker and Deanna kill their thunder always seemed distasteful. I remember all of Jolene's comments about not liking TATV as well. She even went on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and hinted that the cast wasn't really dealing with it well. Don't get me started about Trip either.

 

[eepruls]

I hated These are the Voyages...still do. Season Four was really good up until the point and should have done something like an aftermath of the Terra Prime incident and maybe a tease of the Romulan War or something. Having Riker and Deanna kill their thunder always seemed distasteful. I remember all of Jolene's comments about not liking TATV as well. She even went on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and hinted that the cast wasn't really dealing with it well. Don't get me started about Trip either.

I found it so strange when I was watching this episode for the first time. It had no flow with anything we saw before it. Season three and four were very well done and had established Enterprise as important in Trek canon. We had an emotional connection to the characters and routed for them. Episodes and arcs were very well done. They had a polished feel that season one and two sort of lacked.

But with TATV, it felt like a step back. It wasn't an Enterprise episode at all. The characters didn't feel right. It's not that the episode was just executed poorly, it was a poorly conceived finale in the first place and it should never have gotten the go ahead. It was such a let down for the audience, actors, and crew. Enterprise deserved to be taken more seriously then to be casually brushed aside in a humilating and disrespectful way.

 

[Mott the barber]

Horrible ending to a good season.

 

[Mach5]

Looks like TATV will haunt Braga for the rest of his days.
He did an interview for the iFMagazine, and got asked a TATV related question... Again!

Now, he admitted that *the finale* was a failure some time ago, but what I find disturbing is that he still keeps referring to it as "A Valentine."

You can read the damn thing yourself here

 

[eepruls]

Looks like TATV will haunt Braga for the rest of his days.
He did an interview for the iFMagazine, and got asked a TATV related question... Again!

Now, he admitted that *the finale* was a failure some time ago, but what I find disturbing is that he still keeps referring to it as "A Valentine."

http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=3248

Valentine my ass. I always thought that was the most ridiculous statement ever. Just give us a good ENTERPRISE episode and wrap up the series that already established the crew as important to history. If he thinks that Riker making a trivial decision that nobody cares about would be a valentine to fans, he's living in the mirror universe or something.

 

[Mott the barber]

Something else that pissed me off is the obviously computer generated interior shots of the E-D. At least build the set!

And don't get me started on the exterior CGI version of the E-D with the saucer impulse engines on.

 

[Thor Damar]

The whole episode was utter Shite except for the last 30 seconds, IMO. Season 4 was the best of ENT even the Space Nazis!

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Trip's death was essential to Riker solving his dilema, and therefore the story. If Phlox had saved him at the last moment, it wouldn't have worked. Personal sacrifice was the lesson Riker had to learn.

Yep, I'm starting to see it too...

Riker, if he was any kind of decent officer, didn't need to play on the holodeck to know that...

 

[eepruls]

Trip's death was essential to Riker solving his dilema, and therefore the story. If Phlox had saved him at the last moment, it wouldn't have worked. Personal sacrifice was the lesson Riker had to learn.

Yep, I'm starting to see it too...

Riker, if he was any kind of decent officer, didn't need to play on the holodeck to know that...

Agreed. He sees personal sacrifice all around him on his own ship. I never saw Riker as the type of guy who would need to go into the Holodeck and talk with the first crew to figure out a decision. Especially not after seven years as first officer on the flagship! Riker hardly ever went to the holodeck, and when he did it was listen to jazz and get it on with Minuet!

I still don't feel Trip's death was necessary for Riker to figure out sacrifice because Trip's death was stupid in the first place. It was a weak connection between the two and unnecessary in the finale.

 

[Broccoli]

B&B blew it the first season by turning it into ST:90210

Sure.