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^^^Oh, yeah! Fan is short for fanatic! They're fanatic, all right!
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Does that mean that you are not a fan? or just not a fanatic?
Does that mean that you are not a fan? or just not a fanatic?
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I'm a fan of ST as a whole. ENT I don't have the highest regard for in particular though some shows have been really good.
I'm a very light fan of ENT and a very strong fan of ST as a whole.
In any case, I'm not going to the extreme of fanaticism -- it is, after all, just a sub-genre of sci-fi. I like going back and forth on various topics but I keep it at a reasonable level. Why stroke out over an argument over the internet? I have an uncle who had a heart attack while playing internet poker. It's just not worth getting that excited over anything.
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Does that mean that you are not a fan? or just not a fanatic?
I'm a fan of ST as a whole. ENT I don't have the highest regard for in particular though some shows have been really good.
I'm a very light fan of ENT and a very strong fan of ST as a whole.
In any case, I'm not going to the extreme of fanaticism -- it is, after all, just a sub-genre of sci-fi. I like going back and forth on various topics but I keep it at a reasonable level. Why stroke out over an argument over the internet? I have an uncle who had a heart attack while playing internet poker. It's just not worth getting that excited over anything.
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Hmmmm...
I can see 'way of life' if it doesn't reach the level of getting nasty with someone on a BBS over something that really is, after all, silly to get worked up over.
"You should die and rot in hell, you silly carcass munching maggot if you don't see how obvious it is that the STOS engineering room was in the secondary hull!" would be a little extreme, IMHO, yet we see the equivalent all the time on this and other BBS'. On the other hand, presenting all the evidence each side has to offer and then agreeing to disagree can lead to something productive and fun.
I think it is hilarious when someone gets nasty and personal with me because it just doesn't make sense, considering this forum, to take it that seriously. My mindset towards those types of posters is: 'GET A LIFE!' (hackneyed as that phrase has become).
Posted by pookha:
fans and fandom can come down to this/,.
it is either just a hobby or a way of life (fiawol)
and both are valid in their own way
Hmmmm...
I can see 'way of life' if it doesn't reach the level of getting nasty with someone on a BBS over something that really is, after all, silly to get worked up over.
"You should die and rot in hell, you silly carcass munching maggot if you don't see how obvious it is that the STOS engineering room was in the secondary hull!" would be a little extreme, IMHO, yet we see the equivalent all the time on this and other BBS'. On the other hand, presenting all the evidence each side has to offer and then agreeing to disagree can lead to something productive and fun.
I think it is hilarious when someone gets nasty and personal with me because it just doesn't make sense, considering this forum, to take it that seriously. My mindset towards those types of posters is: 'GET A LIFE!' (hackneyed as that phrase has become).
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Actually, Dennis, IMO you are supporting the analogy. If I go to a restaurant, try to send the food back because it isn't what I ordered and the server says "Too bad. That's what you're getting." You can bet I'm not going back to that restaurant. Heck, if I go to a place a couple times and find that they screw up my order more often than not I'm likely to stop going there even if they DO take it back and fix it-that is what MOST people will do. And once enough people stop coming to our hypothetical restaurant, they need to start laying off cooks and servers. If they don't get off their ass and try to please the customers, eventually, the restaurant will go out of business, and a different business will probably rent the place out and try their hand at making a product that will draw customers.
For that matter, apart from the Bizarro World that is Paramount, most companies make an attempt to PROTECT their franchises. If our hypothetical crappy restaurant happens to be a Pizza Hut, you can bet that eventually the Pizza Hut suits will get word about this particular restaurant and yank their franchise--they want to protect the name "Pizza Hut" and make sure people get what they expect when they go to a Pizza Hut. It doesn't seem to me that they get this at Paramount. They seem to figure that any 'Trek is good 'Trek, and ignore the fact that many of us are now embarassed to mention 'Trek in conversation.
I mean, it's not like I used to say, "Hi, I'm Joe. I like Star Trek." but in the early 1990s, it wasn't a big deal. If it came up, it came up. Nowadays, I'll go to great lengths to not call attention to the fact that I'm a 'Trekkie, because I worry that the person I'm talking to will have seen ENT and will wonder how I could LIKE anything so badly written. At least 10 years ago, while 'Trekkies were by no stretch of the imagination "cool," they were usually viewed as somewhat educated. Nowadays, they don't even have that.
OK, I don't know exactly how any of this has to do with making the ENT forum a more pleasant place . I guess coming back to the restaurant analogy, it's gotta be a bit annoying for the 4 or 5 patrons that actually ENJOY the food to have as many people sitting there bitching about how terrible it is. I guess I can see why they wish the unhappy diners would just go eat somewhere else. I guess it isn't the only restaurant in town--I quite like what they're serving over at Stargate, and I hear that we might be getting a Battlestar Galactica in a few months. At any rate, there's always Starbucks. 
I'm sorry if this was already put to bed elsewhere. I just started wading through this thread earlier this week, and I'm only a quarter of the way through.
Actually, Dennis, IMO you are supporting the analogy. If I go to a restaurant, try to send the food back because it isn't what I ordered and the server says "Too bad. That's what you're getting." You can bet I'm not going back to that restaurant. Heck, if I go to a place a couple times and find that they screw up my order more often than not I'm likely to stop going there even if they DO take it back and fix it-that is what MOST people will do. And once enough people stop coming to our hypothetical restaurant, they need to start laying off cooks and servers. If they don't get off their ass and try to please the customers, eventually, the restaurant will go out of business, and a different business will probably rent the place out and try their hand at making a product that will draw customers.
For that matter, apart from the Bizarro World that is Paramount, most companies make an attempt to PROTECT their franchises. If our hypothetical crappy restaurant happens to be a Pizza Hut, you can bet that eventually the Pizza Hut suits will get word about this particular restaurant and yank their franchise--they want to protect the name "Pizza Hut" and make sure people get what they expect when they go to a Pizza Hut. It doesn't seem to me that they get this at Paramount. They seem to figure that any 'Trek is good 'Trek, and ignore the fact that many of us are now embarassed to mention 'Trek in conversation.
I mean, it's not like I used to say, "Hi, I'm Joe. I like Star Trek." but in the early 1990s, it wasn't a big deal. If it came up, it came up. Nowadays, I'll go to great lengths to not call attention to the fact that I'm a 'Trekkie, because I worry that the person I'm talking to will have seen ENT and will wonder how I could LIKE anything so badly written. At least 10 years ago, while 'Trekkies were by no stretch of the imagination "cool," they were usually viewed as somewhat educated. Nowadays, they don't even have that.
OK, I don't know exactly how any of this has to do with making the ENT forum a more pleasant place
. I guess coming back to the restaurant analogy, it's gotta be a bit annoying for the 4 or 5 patrons that actually ENJOY the food to have as many people sitting there bitching about how terrible it is. I guess I can see why they wish the unhappy diners would just go eat somewhere else. I guess it isn't the only restaurant in town--I quite like what they're serving over at Stargate, and I hear that we might be getting a Battlestar Galactica in a few months. At any rate, there's always Starbucks. Re: ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate
It's just a tv show, and a hobby. It's sad to take it more seriously than that.
Posted by pookha:
fans and fandom can come down to this/,.
it is either just a hobby or a way of life (fiawol)
and both are valid in their own way
It's just a tv show, and a hobby. It's sad to take it more seriously than that.
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Sure, it's just a TV show, but that doesn't mean we have to settle for simple entertainment. TV is a medium perfectly suited to artistic expression & social commentary, and this is where a TV show can implicitly become more than just a hobby, even if it requires no more than the mere attention of the viewer.
Look at TOS. It was just a TV show, but it was also a cultural phenomenon! The Enterprise creators shouldn't settle for mediocrity (or mindless entertainment), and neither should its fans, because Trek can - and should - aim to be more than that
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Posted by pookha:
fans and fandom can come down to this/,.
it is either just a hobby or a way of life (fiawol)
and both are valid in their own way
It's just a tv show, and a hobby. It's sad to take it more seriously than that.
Sure, it's just a TV show, but that doesn't mean we have to settle for simple entertainment. TV is a medium perfectly suited to artistic expression & social commentary, and this is where a TV show can implicitly become more than just a hobby, even if it requires no more than the mere attention of the viewer.
Look at TOS. It was just a TV show, but it was also a cultural phenomenon! The Enterprise creators shouldn't settle for mediocrity (or mindless entertainment), and neither should its fans, because Trek can - and should - aim to be more than that
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Debate the posts and not the posters. Is that not your catch phrase.
See this is why this forum pisses so many people off.
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Posted by Dennis Bailey:It's just a tv show, and a hobby. It's sad to take it more seriously than that.
Tell that to those who over react at the thought of anyone wishing to see it cancelled
Debate the posts and not the posters. Is that not your catch phrase.
See this is why this forum pisses so many people off.
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Sorry, I'm afraid I can't work up any respect or sympathy for folks who can't leave people alone to enjoy a tv show that they don't personally care for.
Sorry, I'm afraid I can't work up any respect or sympathy for folks who can't leave people alone to enjoy a tv show that they don't personally care for.
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Really? What are your choices?
The AFI Silver Theater is two blocks from my house; the public library is next door, and the National Gallery of Art is a few stops away on the Metro Red Line. There's a lot that I enjoy other than "simple entertainment". I don't turn to television for much more than that, though, (I watch all of about seven hours a week, counting Letterman) and I certainly don't expect to be uplifted every time I decide to watch a skiffy tv show.
Really? What are your choices?
The AFI Silver Theater is two blocks from my house; the public library is next door, and the National Gallery of Art is a few stops away on the Metro Red Line. There's a lot that I enjoy other than "simple entertainment". I don't turn to television for much more than that, though, (I watch all of about seven hours a week, counting Letterman) and I certainly don't expect to be uplifted every time I decide to watch a skiffy tv show.
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As far as I can tell, you and others are still free ever to enjoy any show you want. The point of contention seems to whether you enjoy discussing these shows on a BBS.
I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for people who continually return to a discussion they find intolerable, especially when they claim it is ruining their enjoyment of their favourite TV show as well.
Enjoy your show.
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Sorry, I'm afraid I can't work up any respect or sympathy for folks who can't leave people alone to enjoy a tv show that they don't personally care for.
As far as I can tell, you and others are still free ever to enjoy any show you want. The point of contention seems to whether you enjoy discussing these shows on a BBS.
I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for people who continually return to a discussion they find intolerable, especially when they claim it is ruining their enjoyment of their favourite TV show as well.
Enjoy your show.
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I do.
I do.
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Thankyou, that is exactly what I am trying to express.
I'm saying that there are some who throw the statement of "it's just a TV show" until someone comes along and says it should be cancelled. Then you get the hyper over reactions that we witnessed the other day.
Thankyou, that is exactly what I am trying to express.
I'm saying that there are some who throw the statement of "it's just a TV show" until someone comes along and says it should be cancelled. Then you get the hyper over reactions that we witnessed the other day.
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What about people who like Star Trek on some level, but think ENT is lousy and they are making bad decisions? Is their opinion no longer valid? Do they need to turn in their pointy ears and Captain Kirk Decoder Ring? Or are they allowed to criticize the current state of the franchise?
Ah-HAH!
What about people who like Star Trek on some level, but think ENT is lousy and they are making bad decisions? Is their opinion no longer valid? Do they need to turn in their pointy ears and Captain Kirk Decoder Ring? Or are they allowed to criticize the current state of the franchise?
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