ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate!!!

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  1. 8-4-7-2

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    Why not simply make a rule that continious borderline trolling is frowned upon and will be punished?

    When someone does it now and then it's annoying, but tolerable. However there are people who do it in nearly all of their posts. Those cases are easy to spot and should be dealt with
     
  2. Raz

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    Yeah. In case you couldn't pick it up in my prior posts, the whole thing has me just a little bit ticked off.
     
  3. Stewey

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    Sorry if this post is quite long, but I don’t want to be seen as spamming as I have quite a few replies to several posters.

    I’m always prepared to justify mine too, but I don’t have to justify my presence in this forum which is what you are asking us to do over and over (and over :rolleyes: ), and it’s the expectation by you and others who share the same opinion that we must which is clearly against the rules. And even if we were to comply and answer questions such as these, as I personally have done so time and again (and again :rolleyes: ), the answers never satisfy the person who asks anyway (which experience of this board has taught me over time), it’s simply baiting in my view.

    Exactly Raz , and I don’t blame you for being a little passionate there, as hearing the same old “justify yourself to me” arguments for over a year and a half now is wearing me thin too. I agree on warning people for it, time and again we have friendly warnings issued to the same people week in week out, and these people after so many of them know what they are doing, it’s the only thing I think should be made stricter on, just like there is a strict rule against making jokes like “Enterfake” or “excellaprise” Really, how many times must these people be reminded of something they know, especially when they express a desire to continue to do so, as illustrated here:

    (Emphasis mine.)

    I think Galactus has made his position quite clear, he intends to continue to ignore moderators asking him to quit with the questioning of posters motivations because most of the heated exchanges are sparked off by the “justify yourself to me” arguments.

    Now, I have been on the receiving end of most of this type of stuff, so it’s my turn to question his motivations on this board.

    (a) Galactus , why do you post on a message board only to complain about other posters?


    (b) And why do you actively seek out a forum that is not to your liking, then complain about how it is run, and complain about other posters when there are other boards more to your way of thinking (www.brannonbraga.com)?

    Another interesting thing to note is looking at his profile, guess what he calls himself? He calls himself “The Anit-Anti-Enterprise Guy”, I lifted that straight out of his profile complete with spelling mistake. Now moderators, don’t you think taking the above quotes into account, plus his name he is here to intentionally troll members of the forum who don’t like Enterprise?

    I remember back to my school days a very important lesson I learned about other people; “if you expect all your friends to be perfect, you will never have any”.

    I couldn’t agree more, frankly if I were the webmaster of this BBS and the Enterprise forum was getting as many hits as brannonbraga.com, I’d probably not have the sponsorship of UGO for very long. I’m sure Lisa is quite pleased that there is as much activity as there is here, and it’s all because this forum is based on discussion rather than disgushion.

    What you are not getting, (like Galactus is not getting either) is that no matter what you may think of posters motivations privately, judging posters and discussing your theories about those posters on a message board, which has rules against it, is simply trolling in itself. And quite frankly, why in the name of hell should I justify myself to you? You don’t make the rules on this board and you have no place making posters feel unwelcoming, which is exactly what you are doing when you bring these sorts of things up. It’s up to the Lisa/Admins/Moderators to make the rules, not you and frankly they decide who’s trolling or not.

    And by the way, the word “Enterfake” has been outlawed by the mods over 8 months ago now, nobody has used that phrase since, except IIRC for one person who was warned, so what are you complaining about?

    I can only speak for myself here, but I know I am not here for negativities sake at all, and you and I have different interpretations of what exactly “negative” actually is.

    If you don’t like what they have to say, don’t read it just ignore it. Don’t confuse an alternate point of view of an aspect of the Star Trek franchise as a whole with trolling. The two are very separate things. Just because you don’t happen to like the opinion given however repeatedly doesn’t mean it should be silenced for your sake.

    Again, you simply don’t understand the major differences between actual trolling and actual debate.

    There would be no tensions in the first place if

    (a) Posters have a clear understanding of Trolling and Flaming (In other words understand the forum rules)
    (b) Posters have a clear understanding of what debate/discussions actually is
    (c) Posters have a respect for other poster(s) opinion(s)

    The way I see it, is that you want a community of only like-minded people, the people you think should be here. There are plenty of places where this is encouraged and www.brannonbraga.com is one such place. And actually, I did a bit of lurking there and even posted there once (as a poster called “naysayer” as an experiment to see how long it takes to get banned for posting an opinion which is contrary to what people there have, it took 24 hours after only making about 3 posts), and I found just as much “basher-bashing” in there as what I see in here, which is remarkable considering bashers are not welcome there in the first place. I find it is quite interesting in a way that “bashers” seem to be the more interesting topic for those posters on that board than the show itself. I don’t feel that surprised as it seems to be the only topic of discussion among some people on this board too, I suppose they simply ran out of different ways of saying “this show is brilliant”

    Quite frankly, it’s a selfish opinion to want a forum the way you want it, with only the type of people you like, you have to remember not everyone thinks the same way you do. A community is built up by a coming together of all sorts of people; the way I interpret it, a cheerleading group would be the result of the type of community that you would prefer.

    My point to everyone participating in this thread is that suppressing the bashers will not alter this forum one damn bit, my above example proves that some people who like the show are going to bash the bashers anyway whether we are here or not, which is still against the rules. The way I see it, clamping down on this type of behaviour will go a long way towards solving this forum’s problems once and for all.

    You have to ask yourself, is it really worth breaking the rules over something, which is none of your business? Think about how you would feel for someone to make judgements about you personally week in and week out for over a year and a half, it’s unfair, unjustified, rude, and impolite and it happens to be against the rules .

    And if you still feel the need to continue to do it, then why can’t you do it in a PM instead of on the boards themselves?
     
  4. Raz

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    Holy crap, Stewey. I agree with just about everything you said. Well spoken.
     
  5. NX-01 Plumber

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    In response to Stewey:

    I frankly don't care what your motives are for watching hours and hours of a show you do not like and which is unredeemable in your eyes. I just happen to think that it's a very bizarre type of behavior. I wouldn't do it, no one I know would do it. If you're not doing it so that you can come in here and piss on the show and piss off people, then that's fine. Even if you are, I recognize your right not to be flamed because of it. That is all I have to say about that.

    But please do not bitch and gripe about people ascribing motives to your behavior and immediately turn around and ascribe motives to theirs (I'll let Galactus respond to your lengthy discussion of his own motives and presence on this board).

    First, I have never questioned anyone's motives in any thread on this board except this one which is a mediation thread in which we're all trying to understand what is going wrong with the ENT board and how things could be improved. Nevertheless, you must understand that to some extent human nature requires us to question people's motives when faced with their opinion. It is purely natural and I am certain that you cannot possibly understand what motivates someone to defend what from your perspective is unworthy of being Trek. However, in real life as on this board, the polite thing to do is not to shove it in their face.

    Second, if I've made you feel unwelcome, tough. I don't think I've broken any rules within the context of this thread, but feel free to complain to whomever.

    I personally believe that the general atmosphere of the board has made people feel unwelcome (whether the mostly like the show or not) and I also believe that your complete lack of respect (justified or unjustified) for the show's producers, writers and actors contributes to this atmosphere.


    You have no clue what my interpretation of negative is or is not. Let me clear that up. When you post (and I paraphrase) "The writers have no clue how to write T'Pol's character. Maybe when they stop sitting on their thumbs they'll be able to write a character that is not a two-dimensional strumpet with pointed ears", I tend to think that is quite negative. I also tend to think that it is valid criticism to the extent that you believe that much more could be done with this character. What would be wrong about this would be to solely make that statement of opinion to piss people off. I believe you've made it abundantly clear that you do not agree with the show's premise and its existence and, accordingly, it is a bit disingenuous to expect people to believe that were T'Pol's character written any differently your opinion would change. Which in turn makes it difficult to believe that you are being genuinely negative and not just making a negative statement for its own sake.

    Again, you ascribe me motives that I do not have. I am not saying that such opinions should be silenced (which they could not be under the rules), I am just saying that it pisses me off and does not constitute interesting discussion as far as I'm concerned. If anything, I would like those opinions from one side or the other to be drowned by the shear volume of interesting posts. But, again, in my opinion, the unthinking and blind posters, whether they like ENT or not, have created by their vocal mayhem an atmosphere in which reasonable discussion has become difficult and accordingly a less wecoming board.


    Why don't you enlighten me, since you so artfully are able to walk the line between the two.

    Bullshit. (a) Understanding the rules does not mean that people don't react to posts or behavior that fall within those rules. (b) We're all waiting for you to enlighten us with your profound knowledge of what constitutes real debate and discussion (I really am beginning to think that you believe the other posters on this board are morons, but never mind). (c) Sorry, but respect should be earned and to take an extreme example I do not see why I should respect a racist opinion. I respect the fact that an opinion can be voiced and I'll even respect the fact that such an opinion should not be responded to on this board by an insult, but that's as far as I'll go. I just don't think that your perfect recipe for a tensionless board works. I would rather have a board where the posters respect each other.

    You seem to really like building strawmen to support your martyr-like stance. Just for the record (and I think it's been pretty clear from my other posts, but what the hell), I am not looking for a board with zombie-like cloned cheerleaders. I would run away from such a place. Feel free to attack me for my actual positions, but don't make any up for me it makes you look like a schmuck (especially after quoting me saying that well-taken criticism doesn't piss me off).

    I don't like the terms "basher" or "gusher". I try not to use them. And I do not believe that I've called for suppressing reasoned criticism, but if your definition of "basher" means an unthinking moron who trolls people who like the show and if your definition of "gusher" is an unthinking moron who trolls people who fail to find that ENT is perfect, then by all means ban both and we'll all be better off.

    After telling me that I shouldn't interpret the rules, you turn around and do so yourself. That is just hypocritical. The mods can do their job without you or me. (By the way, "rude" and "impolite" mean the same thing). If you feel persecuted, alert the mods.
     
  6. NX-01 Plumber

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    Understandable. I used to quite enjoy the ENT forum, now I'm mostly around TNZ because (and I never thought I'd write this) the level of intelligent debate is higher (less low?). :(
     
  7. Stewey

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    I think that for once, I’m entitled to considering that for a period of time lasting well over a year, I have received this type of constant line of questioning week in and week out. If they can do it with impunity, why shouldn’t I? But I agree, I will let Galactus respond to that, if he wishes to.


    I agree on your first point, of course everyone here will probably form a collection of thoughts based upon what posters do, but the main bone of contention is that it should be discussed on the board. Like the moderators and you and I have largely said, it should be kept to oneself.

    As far as your third point is concerned, what I post about the shows producers is irrelevant. I have stated my reasons for criticising the shows producers time and again, and if you want me to go through them again for the sake of argument, we can open another thread to discuss it. I certainly disagree that it causes the atmosphere in here to disintegrate, and besides there are some posters who show disrespect to Gene Roddenberry here too and it’s not just consigned to this one particular forum.

    Well I don’t happen to think my opinion(s) are negative in the slightest so even if I don’t know exactly what I think your interpretation of negativity is; I know enough that it is different to mine.

    Taking your example of T’pol, the way I describe her is exactly how I see her when she’s on the telly, there is no other way I can describe it from my perspective. We see the same image but we interpret it different, and contrary to your theory that my opinion would never change if she were written differently, until she is written differently we will never find out.

    And just to further clear that up, I have also in the past in related threads offering suggestions to improve the character, which is more a reflection of the changes I would prefer for the race as a whole.

    I’m sorry if I came across as if I were accusing you of the type of behaviour that I have observed from others.

    Hope this helps

    I haven’t a clue what you mean by this.

    Here it is again.

    Actually, I think the posters I debate and discuss with are quite intelligent people who are more than capable of discussing the relevant arguments. The small minority of folks who prefer to flaunt the rules and make personal snipes I don’t think too highly of, and actually they give people who like the show a bad name, which is unfair to them.

    I would rather see people discussing with one another without making things personal, and I don’t think anyone should have to justify their very existence on the board to gain respect. I believe respect is earned when the arguments are dealt with and picked apart, rather than the posters themselves. Respect for the individuals freedom of choice to enter a forum and express themselves should be something in which all posters adhere to, regardless of ones viewpoints on the subject of message board.


    I wouldn’t want to attack you for your opinions on the show, just the arguments you present.

    Well, I have to admit that both those terms are rather stupid, but even if they were to be banned both sides would no doubt find other words to use unfortunately.
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

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    One ought to respect the right of another to express their opinion. There's no virtue whatever in respecting the content of an opinion if it's not worthy of it.
     
  9. NX-01 Plumber

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    Just a few clarifications:


    I agree that your posts about the producers and writers (don't forget the writers) are irrelevant. ;) I disagree that they don't harm the general [italics]ambiance[/italics]. Say what you will, but I don't think that a post saying the GR was a womanizing idiot unconcerned with continuity would go to well with the TOS posters.


    You're not actually saying that this opinion is positive, are you?!? And "contrary" actually implies that the opposite of what I say is true, not that "we'll never find out".


    Which just brings us back to the fact that you disagree with the general way in which Vulcans are portrayed.

    Apology accepted.

    Quoting the rules does nothing to explain (i) the difference between trolling, debate and your posting habits or (ii) what you believe to be actual debate and discussion. Even the rules have sufficient latitude to make the mods earn their (I was about to write "pay", but then I nearly choked laughing) salt.

    I don't know whether you willfully do not understand or whether you fail to understand the point I've made several times: because one doesn't troll according to the current interpretation of the rules, that doesn't mean that people won't react as they would to a troll (in large part due to the history and lack of credibility of the technically non-troll).


    Well, what can I say. I agree with the sentiment, but frankly, I think the problem is that a pattern of past behavior and post content can also earn disrespect. It is then quite difficult to be respected. Again, you set yourself (and presumably all those other posters who are currently frothing at the mouth hoping that the rumors of cancellation are true) up as a victim of remorseless bastards who persecute you for your opinions. Could you accept for one moment that they are in fact people who are offended by your comments and are goaded by them into flaming you? Do you believe that you could change the way in which you state your opinions to try to alleviate that?


    Well you failed to do either one of those here. My statement is that your are misrepresenting my position. I expect either an apology or an explanation as to when and how I expressed my desire to see this forum turned into an ENT lovefest (that's what I call debating). Also, the distinction between the terms "position", "opinion" or "arguments" and as to which one should attack must be a bit too arcane for me. As I understand it my opinion or position rests on arguments, if you knock down my arguments, you knock down my position.


    Read my post again. I am not suggesting we ban the words, rather the people who correspond to those definitions.
     
  10. Vestboy

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    All right-- I don't come here very often because, frankly, of a lot of these issues. This board can be a really ugly place, and I don't like subjecting myself to it. A thread like this gives me hope that the administration understands that there is a problem, but...

    OK, this thread is exactly the sort of thing that creates the problem, that creates an unpleasant atmosphere here. The tone of the initial post is downright nasty and inappropriate. * If you're interested in maintaining pleasant and civil discourse for people to enjoy, it's posts like that which should be nipped in the bud. I was shocked reading through the thread to see that the moderators had not locked it down or issued warnings to the creator of the thread.

    So, when it comes to the problems here, I've got to look to the moderators. When you let a post like that fly as being fine, you are setting that tone. You are telling the rest of the board that it is appropriate behavior for this board. I don't care if it's "not technically trolling" or if it's "borderline"-- it's rude and nasty, and you give it tacit approval by not acting on that.

    Some of the posts in this thread from the moderators make it seem like they feel their hands are tied. Why are they? You have the authority to make the board a more pleasant place-- use it! Because right now you're coming off like hall monitors who don't want to write anyone up so no one thinks you're not cool.

    Give out warnings to people who act like jerks. When they whine about it in MA, say, "I'm sorry you feel that way, but my decision stands." and don't get into it any deeper than that. Will some people leave this board because of that? Yeah, they will. And you know what? That's good, because those are the people you don't want around. They're the problem.

    *- Just to remove any accusations of bias, I'd say the exact same thing for a similarly worded post being elated over a "Enterprise's Seven seasons confirmed by UPN" rumor.
     
  11. Noname Given

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    ^^^

    Well said. I honestly do think that the MODs here are more lienient than they should be to folks (myself included on ocassion).

    Does this Forum receive more post than most of the others because ENT is the current show? Yes. But I think that means the MODs need to be a bit sterner on BOTH sides of the spectrum to DISCOURAGE the extremists on BOTH sides to dial it back; and force people to put a bit more thought into HOW to express their views in a non-inflamitory manner to EITHER side of the aisle.

    Sometimes I believe the moderators need to have a thiker skin; and NOT be worried if someone will take it to MA; forcing the MOD to do more to discuss the action taken, which they mayt not want to do. Is Modding something like this easy (hell no, I've served as a Mod on some EZ-Board forums on other subjects in the past); buit if most know they'll get away with a 'non-official' warning instead of an official one, they'll keep doing it (and some will REGARDLESS of the warnings official or not); but I think this Forum could use some more aggressive moderating on BOTH sides of the aisle (Gusher extremists as well as Basher extremeists).

    In a perfect world, moderation of this type shouldn't be required, but we unfortunately don't live in a perfect world.

    Will people on both sides be annoyed by this?

    Probably.

    Will some leave for good?

    Probably.

    But in the long run, I think stablizing the atmosphere of this Forum will do more to attract people, and send a message to be a little more mindful of how you come across.

    Hell, I know I've gone off the handle on ocassion; and if or when I do again, the Mods should apply the full force of their power; not worry about how it will look to the particular person's supporters or detractors. The OBVIOUS stuff is easy. The borderline stuff is a judgement call, but THAT'S why you Mods are here; to MAKE the call on the boarderline stuff. Of late there seems to be more of a 'if we keep a light hand and just talk to people, things will change' attitude from the Mods. While a nice sentiment, I don't think that's working particularly well of late.

    This thread is and has been a good way to foster communication between folks on the posting atmosphere; but I think the Mods need top back it up with actions as well.

    Develop a thinker skin regarding people's comments on your actions, andrealize that WHATEVER you do,people WILL complain. But again, the Mods set the tone overall asto what ultimately is and is not allowed; and a 'too passive' approach is JUST AS BAD as a 'over-reactive' approach.

    Personally, I think the Mods are too passive at the moment, and MORE concerned at how the action will be received afterward; rather than just going with their gut, and doing what they honestly feel needs to be done.
     
  12. commodore64

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    Mods. I was *very* disappointed today. Someone was intentionally cruel to another poster. This person basically put up some rolling eyes and laughed at a poster who was upset about the possible early demise of Enterprise.

    I "notified moderator" as you've indicated. When the moderator came on, he/she chided the responding poster (the cruel one) indicating he/she should be "a little more tactful."

    Here's the thread: Thread to be moderated more closely

    I think this is very frustrating. I know you can't be everywhere at once, but you were here and I feel like you chose to ignore the situation. In fact, this entire post seems like a battle. People are angry (on both sides) and there's a lot of name calling. I think it would be helpful if someone watched this one with more detail and more follow through.
     
  13. Raz

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    Correct. One only has to look at the responses to that thread to see why. (To be honest, I skipped over that thread because I thought it was about Klingons!)

    Again, I agree, and have been saying the same thing for a while.

    Right now, the 'safest' call is to do nothing and it happens quite frequently.

    I happen to think it never worked.

    I could go on quoting and agreeing, but unfortunately, you ran out of text!!
     
  14. Galactus

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    Stewey

    I have never and will never troll. I always have a point to make. How someone with and anti-Enterprise avatar who constantly posts in an Enterprise forum can complain about someone else trolling is beyond belief. As you have said yourself, every post you make gets you attacked. Why do you think that is? Could it be because you are posting you hate Enterprise in and Enterprise forum.

    As far as that description, I just added that with that last post, late one night. Thanks for the spelling error, I will make sure I change that. Also when I said the flame wars, that is exactly what they are, what else would you call them. So everytime you make a negative post, you can expect to get a reply from me addressing it. I suggest everyone else does the same thing. That is what the mods told us to do so that is what we are gonna do.
     
  15. Stewey

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    But that contradicts the following:

    Because you clearly start the flame wars in the first place, and you know it.

    I don’t post exclusively in this forum, I post on a lot of other boards too and when I’m here I focus my attention on the show instead of starting pissing matches, the accusation of being a troll doesn’t wash with me, trolls pick personal things to attack others with.

    Bullshit.

    You have just admitted here an intention to flame and troll people and encourage others to participate in creating an unnecessarily hostile environment when there needn’t be because you can’t find it in you to simply ignore things you don’t like or consider negative.

    I think we have found the problem this forum is suffering from right here with this admission, and until this person is dealt with accordingly, then I can only see the forum continuing to be the hostile environment that nobody wants, and that’s from people on both sides of the fence.

    It’s clear that there are some people here who simply refuse to separate the things they feel personally about other people from the things that should be discussed here and the continued insistence to post about it repeatedly in an effort to cause trouble is both counter-productive and actually it gives those who like the show (who don’t participate in such behaviour) a bad name, and is that really what we want people to think?

    Because that is what people will think if moderators allow this type of behaviour to thrive and escalate out of control.
     
  16. NX-01 Plumber

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    Galactus, although I fully comprehend your frustration, I respectfully disagree with the response you propose to the problem. The old adage "don't feed the trolls" also applies to near-trolls. They get their jollies from baiting you and others and as long as the mods allow the type of post mentioned a few posts back gleefully accepting a rumor (that has been debunked since) as truth and gloating about it, the best response is to respond not by flaming the poster (no matter how wrong they may be), but pointing out that they're talking from their ass and leaving it at that. I know that such restraint is difficult sometimes in light of the offensive nature of some posts.
     
  17. NX-01 Plumber

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    Stewey, you have got to be the worst debater I have been given to see.

    Nothing in Galactus' statement that he doesn't troll is contradicted by what he later says. All he's saying is that he responds to trolling by getting pissed off and acting on it. Frankly, I don't think anybody gives a damn who starts the "flame wars", we just all wish they didn't happen in this forum and happened in PM, IM or some other medium. And read the rules that you so religiously quote, the definition of trolling is the following:

    Accordingly your statement that trolls "pick personal things to attack others" is complete crap. There is a clear element of intent in this definition and if the intent is to anger or bait other posters, you are a troll (which is, in part, why posters motives are not irrelevant).

    Also, you mischaracterize Galactus' position: he didn't say that he would flame, he said that he would respond to your negative posts. If his response does not call you names, but instead points out what an empty windbag you are, then that would in no way be flaming.

    I know you do not wish to be ignored, otherwise you wouldn't bother posting. What you wish (this is the nicer explanation) is for people to respond to you without insulting you. Stop pointing fingers at Galactus and stop trying to do the mods' job, it is highly annoying, damages your credibility since it is not based on facts and utterly unconvincing.

    And please, both you and Galactus, try not to turn this thread into a pissing match.
     
  18. Borgminister

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    Anyone remember the infamous ENTERFAKE incident? The mods might want to explain that little ditty to the newbies to give them a better understanding of the history behind their bubbling frustrations.

    Kettle. Black.

    Or something like that.
     
  19. Guest

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    Folks take this BBS stuff WAAAAAAAYYYYYY too seriously.

    What is needed is some discipline and self-control. If someone is passionate and personally offensive, be dispassionate and object to the personally offensive remark(s).

    If someone is passionate and making his point, respond with passion to the point.

    Otherwise, why make such a fuss? Talk about a bunch of whiners on BOTH sides!

    People talk about being 'pissed off' and what has really happened is that their extra-sensitive feelings have been hurt and they are responding with anger instead of tears. Well, if they'd just keep a stiff upper lip and some emotional control, perhaps they can deal more rationally with those who get nasty and personal (which should usually involve just IGNORING such folks). 'Sticks and stones . . . ' :lol:
     
  20. NX-01 Plumber

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    Re: ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate

    Well with all due respect to a newbie poster, you seem to forget that Trek fans are passionate about their Trek. Without this passion and ultra-sensitivity Star Trek would have died back in the sixties. I'm actually kinda heartened to see that there is still passion both for and against the current incarnation of Trek, what is sad is that we can't be civil about it and need to goad and insult each other about it.

    [Edit: There is also a lot of history in the ENT forum that has created bad blood between those who want the show cancelled and those who think ENT is the best thing since sliced bread. As far as I'm concerned they're all crazy. ;)]
     
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