Endgame as it was first intended...

[Karnbeln]

There was one more thing in Endgame that didn't make a lot of sense to me. Seven's emotional damper.

The Doctor turned it off so she could have a fuller (ie adult) relationship with Chakotay. But it was an "emotion" damper not a "love or pleasure" damper. So that would mean all her emotions were turned on. Love is only a part of it, there is anger, envy, hate, fear. She would have had problems with just the simple irritation of living with 140 other individuals.

Brit

Except that she already had quite obviously experienced emotion--anger, guilt, anxiety, fear, grief, remorse, shame. Which made the entire concept of the dampener ridiculous.

I can only assume they meant not to the point where it would be physical, like full out crying or extreme depression.

I think about it; with all the lives Seven helped destroy as a Borg, shouldn't she feel stronger emotions about it than guilt? Shouldn't we expact her emotionally to be like Janeway was in "Night". Such severe depresssion and remorse, she'd lock herself way for while coming to grips with it. Seven never even sought counceling for the horrors she commited. Even when Seven did "feel" something, she often played it close to the chest, never wearing her heart on her sleeve.

Exactly. It's not an emotional block, it's an emotional DAMPER. Seven can experience emotion, but that emotion can never go full out. No full blown bitter rage, no self loathing, no love. Irritation, not hatred, fondness, not love.

Whether or not the concept was good is still up for debate.

 

[Tachyon]

I rather liked the idea of Seven dying in the finale. It would have been unexpected to say the least.

It should have been Tom.

Tom is the one character almost everybody seems to like. Killing him would have a severe emotional impact on the fan base and gives us something to really talk about.

True. Tom is more likeable so his death would have been

Even your suggestion made me a little.

 

[exodus]

I rather liked the idea of Seven dying in the finale. It would have been unexpected to say the least.

It should have been Tom.

Tom is the one character almost everybody seems to like. Killing him would have a severe emotional impact on the fan base and gives us something to really talk about.

True. Tom is more likeable so his death would have been

Even your suggestion made me a little.

That's my mutant power kicking in.

 

[Guy Gardener]

how is "hearing" about seven's death happening off camera any bit the damn traumatic for those of us that have already seen her being autopsied? Talk about some deeper levels of nudity. I think I remember seeing her brain. Goodness, if you're going to rip yourself off with blatant plagiarism Berman, add flare, don't subtract it.

 

[Praetor]

I rather liked the idea of Seven dying in the finale. It would have been unexpected to say the least.

It should have been Tom.

Tom is the one character almost everybody seems to like. Killing him would have a severe emotional impact on the fan base and gives us something to really talk about.

I think you mis-spelled 'Trip.'

 

[exodus]

I rather liked the idea of Seven dying in the finale. It would have been unexpected to say the least.

It should have been Tom.

Tom is the one character almost everybody seems to like. Killing him would have a severe emotional impact on the fan base and gives us something to really talk about.

I think you mis-spelled 'Trip.'

 

[Praetor]

*takes a bow*

 

[exodus]

*takes a bow*

Take two, you earned it.

 

[Tachyon]

I think you mis-spelled 'Trip.'

ROOOOOFL!

 

[Praetor]

*takes a second bow*

 

[exodus]

*takes a second bow*

Ok, ok, take it easy Madonna.

 

[exodus]

Except that she already had quite obviously experienced emotion--anger, guilt, anxiety, fear, grief, remorse, shame. Which made the entire concept of the dampener ridiculous.

I can only assume they meant not to the point where it would be physical, like full out crying or extreme depression.

I think about it; with all the lives Seven helped destroy as a Borg, shouldn't she feel stronger emotions about it than guilt? Shouldn't we expact her emotionally to be like Janeway was in "Night". Such severe depresssion and remorse, she'd lock herself way for while coming to grips with it. Seven never even sought counceling for the horrors she commited. Even when Seven did "feel" something, she often played it close to the chest, never wearing her heart on her sleeve.

She talked about her remorse--it being a useful, although uncomfortable emotion--in "Memorial." I agree that we didn't see much of her private time, but we didn't see much of the rest of the crew's either--unless they needed it for a plot device (a la Janeway in "Night").

But because she doesn't wear her heat on her sleeve, doesn't mean she doesn't feel. Not all people wear their hearts on their sleeve.

..but I would think the average human being would be a little more emotional when coming to understand the heinous crimes such aa Seven commited as a Borg. We;re not talking about guilt of a little white lie, we talking about forcing hundrends, even thousands into slavery.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Phew, thought i'd never get out of that...

Yep. I HATE it when that happens.

 

[Praetor]

*takes a second bow*

Ok, ok, take it easy Madonna.

My public has turned against me in a day? I really am Madonna.

I can only assume they meant not to the point where it would be physical, like full out crying or extreme depression.

I think about it; with all the lives Seven helped destroy as a Borg, shouldn't she feel stronger emotions about it than guilt? Shouldn't we expact her emotionally to be like Janeway was in "Night". Such severe depresssion and remorse, she'd lock herself way for while coming to grips with it. Seven never even sought counceling for the horrors she commited. Even when Seven did "feel" something, she often played it close to the chest, never wearing her heart on her sleeve.

She talked about her remorse--it being a useful, although uncomfortable emotion--in "Memorial." I agree that we didn't see much of her private time, but we didn't see much of the rest of the crew's either--unless they needed it for a plot device (a la Janeway in "Night").

But because she doesn't wear her heat on her sleeve, doesn't mean she doesn't feel. Not all people wear their hearts on their sleeve.

..but I would think the average human being would be a little more emotional when coming to understand the heinous crimes such as Seven committed as a Borg. We're not talking about guilt of a little white lie, we talking about forcing hundreds, even thousands into slavery.

I agree.

 

[exodus]

*takes a second bow*

Ok, ok, take it easy Madonna.

My public has turned against me in a day? I really am Madonna.

Meh, I prefer Prince.

 

[Nakth]

I can only assume they meant not to the point where it would be physical, like full out crying or extreme depression.

I think about it; with all the lives Seven helped destroy as a Borg, shouldn't she feel stronger emotions about it than guilt? Shouldn't we expact her emotionally to be like Janeway was in "Night". Such severe depresssion and remorse, she'd lock herself way for while coming to grips with it. Seven never even sought counceling for the horrors she commited. Even when Seven did "feel" something, she often played it close to the chest, never wearing her heart on her sleeve.

She talked about her remorse--it being a useful, although uncomfortable emotion--in "Memorial." I agree that we didn't see much of her private time, but we didn't see much of the rest of the crew's either--unless they needed it for a plot device (a la Janeway in "Night").

But because she doesn't wear her heat on her sleeve, doesn't mean she doesn't feel. Not all people wear their hearts on their sleeve.

..but I would think the average human being would be a little more emotional when coming to understand the heinous crimes such aa Seven commited as a Borg. We;re not talking about guilt of a little white lie, we talking about forcing hundrends, even thousands into slavery.

Could You Live with the Fact you killed/wiped out entire worlds and races. Millions of Billions. Creepy Just imagine if the earth was destroyed in less than 5 mins.

 

[exodus]

She talked about her remorse--it being a useful, although uncomfortable emotion--in "Memorial." I agree that we didn't see much of her private time, but we didn't see much of the rest of the crew's either--unless they needed it for a plot device (a la Janeway in "Night").

But because she doesn't wear her heat on her sleeve, doesn't mean she doesn't feel. Not all people wear their hearts on their sleeve.

..but I would think the average human being would be a little more emotional when coming to understand the heinous crimes such aa Seven commited as a Borg. We;re not talking about guilt of a little white lie, we talking about forcing hundrends, even thousands into slavery.

Could You Live with the Fact you killed/wiped out entire worlds and races. Millions of Billions. Creepy Just imagine if the earth was destroyed in less than 5 mins.

Death would be better.
That's the nightmare, the Borg don't kill you. They take you and make you a living slave. Forced against your will to enslave others under the guise that what your doing is improving society. What worse is, if you are freed. You still have memories and see the faces of all you helped enslave as well. It's a punishment that never ends. At least with death, there is freedom.

Having more powerful tech., isn't what make the Borg fearsome. That why IMO, Voyager wussing out the Borg is B.S. It's the fact that no matter what, you are scared for life by them. Even when you're free, what they did to you lasts for the rest of your life.

 

[Tachyon]

Having more powerful tech., isn't what make the Borg fearsome. That why IMO, Voyager wussing out the Borg is B.S. It's the fact that no matter what, you are scared for life by them. Even when you're free, what they did to you lasts for the rest of your life.

Even though I love Voyager to pieces, I agree with you here 100%. The only time Borg really worked for me in Voyager were in the beginning of Unity where they found that cube (that scene was like "holy fluck!"), and the beginning of Scorpion I when the fear of the crew was practically oozing from the TV screen.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Undeniably a code brown.

It was so good.

Then it all turned to shite.

I liked that speech form the beginning of Dark Frontier when Janeway talks about all the times they saw the Borg and ran away or hid. Now that would have made for some interesting story telling.

But she automakes bitches of the most insidious (and only?) beasties to ever stymie Jean Luc Picard.

 

[Praetor]

Having more powerful tech., isn't what make the Borg fearsome. That why IMO, Voyager wussing out the Borg is B.S. It's the fact that no matter what, you are scared for life by them. Even when you're free, what they did to you lasts for the rest of your life.

Even though I love Voyager to pieces, I agree with you here 100%. The only time Borg really worked for me in Voyager were in the beginning of Unity where they found that cube (that scene was like "holy fluck!"), and the beginning of Scorpion I when the fear of the crew was practically oozing from the TV screen.

Agreed - although the scene in 'Scorpion, 1' where the fleet of cubes appears beyond Voyager and flies past was a pretty good one for me too.

Undeniably a code brown.

It was so good.

Then it all turned to shite.

I liked that speech form the beginning of Dark Frontier when Janeway talks about all the times they saw the Borg and ran away or hid. Now that would have made for some interesting story telling.

But she automakes bitches of the most insidious (and only?) beasties to ever stymie Jean Luc Picard.

Agreed. What was up with that speech in 'DF' anyway? When they hell did they ever hide from the Borg?

"We'll see you soon, Harry..."

"What's that supposed to mean?"