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El Aurian homeworld

In Q Who it certainly seemed they made their own babies then in Voyager it seemed like they were not.

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to.
They have complete technological mastery over biological functions so why would that one be an exception?

Nothing about the Qs really makes sense. You have to roll with the punches.
 
Essentially, if the Borg really are "hundreds of millennia" old, like Guinan and Q claim (but how should the first one know, and why should we trust the latter?), they would have been everywhere at least a thousand times already. Their agenda just doesn't include conquering the entire Milky Way, because where would they assimilate new ideas then? They pick and choose, and after they have chosen, they may discard. There were only two times the Borg were shown possessing a planet - in "Scorpion" where the 8472 destroyed such a planet, and in ST:FC where the Borg plan involved temporally/temporarily assimilating and keeping Earth. Probably the Collective simply has little use for planets, or territory. Heck, even the very existence of "Borg territory" in VOY may have been largely a misconception by our heroes, a brief concentration of Borg activity in a particular part of the galaxy before they moved on to other places.

Timo Saloniemi

maybe borg aims changed trough time. Maybe they prefered to stay hidden until they became strong enough (it's not said they were warp-capable since the beginning).

Borg may be like that story of the lake with a seaweed doubling its size every day...when you notice it, it's too late
 
PS. in Q who? Ent-D is thrown 7000 ly from its previous position, and it would nedd less than 3 years to reach the nearest fed starbase
 
I'm pretty sure Jirin was talking about the Borg having mastery over biological functions, not the Q...

The Q don't seem to have any limitations whatsoever. They can start a war between two species, they can add or remove starships from a battle without the other "participants" noticing. They can make borg cubes appear out of nowhere and disappear all the same. They can make all males of a ship disappear with a single thought, reduce the size of a ship to that of a molecule, send it back to the big bang.

Does that sound like someone with limitations to you?
 
Was it ever said in any of the series or movies (or novels) what part of the galaxy that Guinan and Soran's people came from?

The Lakul and it's companion ship looked to be old and slow starships, antique practically. I dount they could manage that great a warp factor, they were 3 lightyears from Earth when the Nexus caught them, so they were probably heading for the Sol system anyway.

That puts whats left of their starsystem not that many lightyears out from Earth, maybe 20 lightyears.

The better question is, why would the Borg "swarm" through the system, destroying their civilisation so utterly that they just pummled the El Aurians out of existance. We've only ever seen the Borg do that to one other race, 8472.

We need to know why the Borg and Q were both shit scared of a race of "listeners".
 
The better question is, why would the Borg "swarm" through the system, destroying their civilisation so utterly that they just pummled the El Aurians out of existance. We've only ever seen the Borg do that to one other race, 8472.
Dark Frontier also features the Borg swarming the solar system of the forehead aliens of the week with a fleet of ships supervised directly by the Queen. The episode would imply this is SOP despite the fact they only ever send one ship at a time to take on the Federation.
We need to know why the Borg and Q were both shit scared of a race of "listeners".
I don't think Q was scared of the El Aurians in general, just Guinan specifically.
 
^The Queen did that to try to rekindle Seven's desire to return to the Collective by demonstrating their power, it was exactly the opposite of a standard assimilation, her being present, the overkill of the operation, all to to with 7.

And they didn't need that species, it was just to bolster drone numbers. Guinan said they completely destroyed the El Aurian system and most of it's people in a rage, implying they barely even slowed down, just bulldozing as they went. That's not like them.
 
A rage?

I figured it was more like their direcive regarding Omega, to assimilate at all costs. The El Aurians must have had some pretty sweet distinctiveness to make the Borg more perfect.
 
A rage?

I figured it was more like their direcive regarding Omega, to assimilate at all costs. The El Aurians must have had some pretty sweet distinctiveness to make the Borg more perfect.

I don't know. I know three El Aurians: One is a bartender, the second one is a swindler and the third one a would-be mass murderer. If I were the borg, I'd stay as far away from these guys as possible.
 
It was implied in "Q Who" that El Aurians (or Guinan at least) had some gifts that were at least mildly annoying to a Q, but for better or worse (possibly better), never elaborated upon.
 
It was implied in "Q Who" that El Aurians (or Guinan at least) had some gifts that were at least mildly annoying to a Q, but for better or worse (possibly better), never elaborated upon.

They live for a long time and they have some extra perception of alternate realities. That's all I know about them.
 
A rage?

I figured it was more like their direcive regarding Omega, to assimilate at all costs. The El Aurians must have had some pretty sweet distinctiveness to make the Borg more perfect.

Then why slaughter them? they didn't try to assimilate them, Guinan said it was an attempt at extermination.

That's not something the Borg *do* as a rule.
 
Perhaps Guinan misspoke, or was misinformed.

Or perhaps she deliberately presented a not entirely honest account.
 
We don't know that Guinan's cross-temporal insight in "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Unification" is a trait that's common to her people...just that she demonstrated it. Likewise, Q's reason for acting threatened by Guinan's presence may be specific to Guinan.
 
We don't know that Guinan's cross-temporal insight in "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "Unification" is a trait that's common to her people...just that she demonstrated it. Likewise, Q's reason for acting threatened by Guinan's presence may be specific to Guinan.

That all remains rather mysterious. We never get any more accounts on that.
For all we know, Q could have been Joking as he sometimes does, and pretending to feel threatened by Guinan's presence, without more examples of that, it's hard to tell which.
 
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I think it's reasonable to assume that the hub of Borg activity is the DQ but that they've reached into the BQ as well.

No reason not to assume in "Q Who" we're seeing a (potentially overgrown) scout ship, given that VOY later establishes (for better or worse) that the Borg also have "tactical" cubes.

That a race as powerful as the Borg, which mopped up 40 Starfleet vessels with a "standard" cube and showed no appreciable damage afterward, would feel the need to develop a "tactical" cube raises questions I don't want to ponder too deeply. Maybe it was intended to put up a better fight against 8472...

I doubt the Tactical ships were much stronger, given that Voyager survived a blow from one without it's shields. I guess it's possible the J25 cube was a scout, but not the one from BoBW. Though they were the same size.
 
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