El Aurian homeworld
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Yeah, something like the Kotati ragtag band of ships, all that was left of their species, after the Borg assimilated their home world. You remember, they were the ones who tried to steal Voyager's warp core, after Torres had to eject it.
Yes, they were a nasty bunch. It was like nothing that Voyager could have given them would have been enough.
In GENERATIONS, Guinan & Soren were on the same transport, of course. But Guinan did tell us, on TV, when the Borg were first introduced, that she was NOT there, personally, when the Borg devastated her planet. She was quite firm and clear on the fact that she received her information about the invasion 2nd hand. I guess I'm just curious what the transport was all about, then? Were they rewriting Guinan's first exposure to the Borg? Was this another Timeline thing? Or did the Borg relentlessly pursue El Aurians, long after the fact, as well?
Voyager? Missed a trick? Well I never!
Perhaps she joined the transport after it had already begun its journey?
Guinan and Soran were on Federation transports (or at least a closer look at the computer displays shows the other one having a very Federation name, SS Ambassador Fox). The existence of a category of people called "El-Aurian refugees" was a well-known fact to the E-B heroes, but we learned nothing of the context. And the refugees apparently revealed nothing of importance about the Borg after recovered. These three things put together do suggest that this was the last leg on a long and complex flight from a distant crisis - and that the starting point was not the smoking ruins of El-Aurus, but rather some safe distance from that lost world that allowed Guinan and Soran to flee in the first place. After all, from "Dark Frontier" we learn that when the Borg finally decide to assimilate somebody's homeworld, they also try to hunt down every last member of the species...
Not a rewriting, I think, but just an elegant way of justifying "Q Who?": yes, Guinan feared the Borg, a lot, but she also firmly thought she had left them far behind and would gain nothing from bringing them up in discussion.
Timo Saloniemi
"A distinct possibility."
I get the feeling that the borg invasion of Guinan's homeworld happened centuries before we saw her.
Maybe sometime between when she was hanging out with Mark Twain in the late 1800's to when we first saw her in TNG.
Yes, that would be my estimate as well.
Not quite that far back - Soran was said to be only 300 years old.
And he had a family. Would he be in any hurry to establish one if he expects to live to the middle four digits or whatever? The family might well have been founded just a century or so before the TNG part of the events, meaning the loss of the planet would be recent in the TOS part.
But it could be a century earlier, too. Guinan may not be an explicit example of hurry, but her 23 husbands do suggest the possibility of dozens of families, with an early start being an option.
Timo Saloniemi
And he had a family. Would he be in any hurry to establish one if he expects to live to the middle four digits or whatever? The family might well have been founded just a century or so before the TNG part of the events, meaning the loss of the planet would be recent in the TOS part.
But it could be a century earlier, too. Guinan may not be an explicit example of hurry, but her 23 husbands do suggest the possibility of dozens of families, with an early start being an option.
Timo Saloniemi
Yes, you're absolutely right! I completely forgot that Soran was a pup of merely three centuries. I knew he didn't quite have the maturity of Guinan though...
It was more like 70,000 ly, and it was stated to be somewhere in the DQ and would take the Enterprise-D more than 70 years to get home at max warp. Just like was stated for Voyager, basically.
But that doesn't mean the Borg were only in the DQ. I think it is possible that they had a foothold in the BQ, and also thanks to Transwarp, Borg space may not have necessarily been connected, just a string of pockets here and there.
If that is true then that could reasonably mean that the El Aurian home world could just as easily been in the BQ
That's also a distinct possibility. I think Seven's Friend in unimatrix zero found out that his body was somewhere in the Beta quadrant.
It was only 7,000 ly explicitly in "Q Who?". Nowhere near enough to reach another galactic quadrant. And it would have taken two and a half years or so to return by conventional maximum warp, suggesting Picard's ship had twice the top speed of Janeway's ship.
No connection was made with the Delta Quadrant in the episode. Or with any other quadrant, but only Alpha and Beta are possible options.
Timo Saloniemi
No connection was made with the Delta Quadrant in the episode. Or with any other quadrant, but only Alpha and Beta are possible options.
Timo Saloniemi
That's not how I remember it for some reason, but looked it up and it appears you're right! I think I may be confusing Q who with The Price, where the Ferengi get trapped in the DQ by an unstable wormhole. At least according to Memory Alpha.
So, at 7000 LY, that could place that in the BQ. Everything I said about that still could apply, though.
The idea that the Borg would be "only" in Delta Quadrant is difficult to defend, certainly. Our heroes meet them at Alpha, after all. Or Beta, as it's difficult to tell which quadrant they are in during a given adventure. Why they would avoid other quadrants is unclear; they clearly have the means of reaching those, and possibly beyond. What is not unclear is that the Borg can do stealth if they want to, and "Dark Frontier" suggests they do want to. Even if it's stealth of the "leave no witnesses" sort...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I think it's reasonable to assume that the hub of Borg activity is the DQ but that they've reached into the BQ as well.
No reason not to assume in "Q Who" we're seeing a (potentially overgrown) scout ship, given that VOY later establishes (for better or worse) that the Borg also have "tactical" cubes.
That a race as powerful as the Borg, which mopped up 40 Starfleet vessels with a "standard" cube and showed no appreciable damage afterward, would feel the need to develop a "tactical" cube raises questions I don't want to ponder too deeply. Maybe it was intended to put up a better fight against 8472...
No reason not to assume in "Q Who" we're seeing a (potentially overgrown) scout ship, given that VOY later establishes (for better or worse) that the Borg also have "tactical" cubes.
That a race as powerful as the Borg, which mopped up 40 Starfleet vessels with a "standard" cube and showed no appreciable damage afterward, would feel the need to develop a "tactical" cube raises questions I don't want to ponder too deeply. Maybe it was intended to put up a better fight against 8472...
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