eeg! 51-year-old actor marries a 16-year-old girl

[Thestral]

What a shame. You're missing killer food, man, and I mean that figuratively and literally!

Just look at the regulars.

There are no 'huge' steps above pedophilia here.

I mean seriously - can anyone honestly say that they believe his motives to be anything more than sexually gratifying SELF with little-to-no regard for how this could effect her for the rest of her life?

Big fan of James Doohan I take it?

 

[scotpens]

There are no 'huge' steps above pedophilia here.

I mean seriously - can anyone honestly say that they believe his motives to be anything more than sexually gratifying SELF with little-to-no regard for how this could affect her for the rest of her life?

Big fan of James Doohan I take it?

Probably a huge admirer of John Derek as well.

Remember, as I pointed out upthread, Bo Derek’s relationship with a man 30 years her senior began she was 16, she married him at 18, and they stayed married until his death.

Not saying this is anything like the same situation, just that you can’t make a one-size-fits-all judgment.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Also, Loretta Lynn - the singer - married her husband when she was 13. They remained together until he died. (And one of their daughters had a child at 16, thus making Loretta a grandmother at 29!)

 

[Amaris]

Sorry, missed this:

Just because she has grown tits does not take him a 'huge' step above a pedophile.

It really does. She is of the age where mating can take place. 14-16 years has been the standard mating and marrying age for dozens of millennia. It's only now, as we extend childhood well past puberty that it's become the issue it has. Biologically speaking, she's been prepared for some time. There is a big red line between an undeveloped pre-pubescent child, and a fully developed, post-pubescent teenager.

She is SIXTEEN FUCKING YEARS OLD.

That's an apt way to put it.

And if the dumbfuck girl had not obtained the permission of her even bigger dumbfuck parents, this guy would be arrested as a sex offender.

Well, yeah. Then again, that works in other avenues of the law as well. It's stealing if you don't pay for it. It's trespassing if you're not given permission to enter someone's home. Authorization makes all the difference.

There are no 'huge' steps above pedophilia here. There are only The Stupidest Parents On Earth....who allow this shit rather than having the guy fucking arrested and thrown in jail where he belongs.

Why does he belong in jail if it's legal? We can't just throw people in jail because we don't like what fully legal actions they take. Neither can people be imprisoned on "ick" factor alone. I understand how you feel, but if everything's on the up and up, he doesn't belong in jail.

I'm sorry...but a 51 year old man has absolutely NOTHING in common with a 16 year old girl.

Likely, but that's never stopped people from getting married before, whether they be 16 or 60.

No doubt since the girl has a shit-for-brains father who is incapable of expressing love via the setting up of boundaries that will keep his daughter SAFE from sick sons-of-bitches, this sick bastard has convinced the little spud-head that he 'loves' her, when in fact it is really all about gratifying himself sexually at the expense of a CHILD.

Maybe. Maybe not. You don't know. You can only assume, which you have done.

A child, not at all incidentally, who some day might well realize how totally fucked up this is....and need therapy to try and undo the damage this guy will do to her.

Marry her? Have sex with her? Do other 16 year olds not engage in sex? Yes, he's 51, but unless he does something she doesn't allow, then what harm is he committing against her by being older than her? Do his balls spew venom after he crosses the "icky" line? Again, I understand why you're really against this, but so far, you've got nothing to hold against him aside from his age, which is your right, of course.

I mean seriously - can anyone honestly say that they believe his motives to be anything more than sexually gratifying SELF with little-to-no regard for how this could effect her for the rest of her life?

Maybe. Who knows? As mentioned before, Jimmy Doohan married a woman in a similar situation, and I'm not apt to call him some kind of depraved sexual monster. He was, in fact, a kind and generous man who loved his wife very much, or at least that's how it looked. Granted it may not have been that way behind closed doors, but his wife still seems to love him and his memory.

I mean, where it not for her shit-for-brains father, this would be statutory rape. And there is a REASON for those statutes. Which do not have exclusionary provisions in them for cup size.

Again, "if this were that", but it's not "that". The thing is, those statutes are being followed to the letter. It's all legal, all on the up and up, and aside from the ick factor, there's nothing prosecutable about it. Aside from your moral concerns (which I understand), they're both in the clear.

 

[Myasishchev]

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2. LOST actor guy is, as far as I'm concerned, a pedophile. Regardless of what the law says.
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Well, in a technical sense, he'd be an ephebophile, as she obviously has secondary sex characteristics, something which takes him a huge step above a pedophile. I understand it's still your right to consider him a pedophile, I'm just clarifying.

Just because she has grown tits does not take him a 'huge' step above a pedophile. She is SIXTEEN FUCKING YEARS OLD.

There are very huge steps between someone who is attracted to young but sexually mature individuals and someone who is attracted to individuals who have not even started puberty. One is socially condoned (implicitly, at least), can be occasionally creepy but is usually harmless, and is almost certainly natural, the other is deviant, almost always involves a breach of trust, and is extremely harmful even when it doesn't.

I'm pretty sure you'd at least agree it's a difference in degree. I mean, sixteen, or six? They are not the same number.

There are no 'huge' steps above pedophilia here. There are only The Stupidest Parents On Earth....who allow this shit rather than having the guy fucking arrested and thrown in jail where he belongs.

Now, these folks have got gusto, but they just don't have the stones, so to speak, to take that crown away from parents who murder their daughters for being raped, or parents who send their kids to the edge of suicide for being gay, or the garden-variety bad parents who punch their kid when they're drunk.

So, incompetent? Oh, very likely. But these are hardly monsters we're dealing with here. Save your hate. There are more worthy causes.

I'm sorry...but a 51 year old man has absolutely NOTHING in common with a 16 year old girl.

Fertility and mutual attraction? Rather presumptive to assume that a 51 year old man (or woman) you've never met has nothing in common with a 16 year old girl (or boy) you've never met either, isn't it?

No doubt since the girl has a shit-for-brains father who is incapable of expressing love via the setting up of boundaries that will keep his daughter SAFE from sick sons-of-bitches, this sick bastard has convinced the little spud-head that he 'loves' her, when in fact it is really all about gratifying himself sexually at the expense of a CHILD.

You can capslock "child", and mean "small child," all you want, it doesn't make it so, from a legal perspective, nor from a psychological nor cognitive development standpoint.

A child, not at all incidentally, who some day might well realize how totally fucked up this is....and need therapy to try and undo the damage this guy will do to her.

Sure. Large age differences never work out. Except for all the times they have.

I mean seriously - can anyone honestly say that they believe his motives to be anything more than sexually gratifying SELF with little-to-no regard for how this could effect her for the rest of her life?

Yes, because I don't any more about this dude than I read in 500 word newspaper article? Why, is that retarded or something?

Even assuming this is true, and assuming it doesn't work out, how does sexually gratifying oneself upon a sexually mature person, whose consent is not voided by duress or force or abuse of authority, constitute something that will necessarily and irrevocably destroy someone's life? At worst, it's a mistake that will make her very sad. But if we criminalize "He didn't really love me!", how far do we go?

And if he were 17 instead, would it make a difference because he's equally "stupid"? Or is he too a 'pedophile,' to use hilariously--and frankly dangerously and defamatorily--inaccurate terminology? Is she?

I mean, where it not for her shit-for-brains father, this would be statutory rape. And there is a REASON for those statutes.

Sure. More than one. The first is pervasive misogyny, largely, and assumed ownership of women by their male relatives. The second is a misunderstanding and fear of human sexuality--there is a "REASON" behind adultery statutes, and fornication statutes, and sodomy statutes, none of which are very good. The third is the ongoing process in our society of extending childhood well beyond historical norms, so that people in their mid-20s are still emotionally teenage kids.

Which is not to say that some sort of age of consent is not necessary, as it obviously is. 18, the age of majority, is obviously too high, for extremely, extremely obvious reasons. 16 always struck me as a reasonably good balance.

And ultimately that's what AoC's are--balancing exercises between freedom and the necessity for or desire of the state to protect people from themselves. Like many balancing exercises, they are not based on any categorical moral principle, and cannot be, because they stand between two equally compelling interests, and serve yet another, administrative efficiency.

 

[DonIago]

I just don't see how anyone not familiar with the individuals involved in the relationship has any business making assumptions regarding their motives, much less characterizing one or more of them as a criminal when they have broken no laws.

But then, what do I know, I'm just an icky faggot whose lifestyle many would find offensive because it doesn't live up to a proper definition of morality. But hey, at least I'm single and not committing further immorality by actually getting married to another guy, right? Perhaps even (gasp) a guy not of my own ethnicity.

 

[Myasishchev]

She is of the age where mating can take place.

I might not have bothered with mine if I'd seen your post, but I just wanted to add to this, "and crucially, she is at the age where she desires to mate, and can grasp, intellectually, the consequences involved in mating."

 

[Amaris]

She is of the age where mating can take place.

I might not have bothered with mine if I'd seen your post, but I just wanted to add to this, "and crucially, she is at the age where she desires to mate, and can grasp, intellectually, the consequences involved in mating."

Exactly.

 

[Kestra]

And there is a REASON for those statutes. Which do not have exclusionary provisions in them for cup size.

There's really no reason to bring her cup size into the conversation here. And it's also silly to assume that the category of child applies equally to a very young child as it does to a teenager. Is she as mature as she'll ever be? Probably not. Is she at the same maturity as an eight year old? Probably not.

I mean, I understand thinking that this is a bad decision, or even wrong. But it's a bit odd to want to shoot her parents just because you disagree with them. It's not like a dad sending his three year old off with a known pedophile here. Even then, violence? Really?

 

[Myasishchev]

Something that just occurred to me, a little argument to absurdity.

Let's take the following assumption:

A 16 year old cannot make an informed decision about sexual activity, and thus that decision must be made by the parents or by the state.

From this premise, does it not also follow that a 16 year old's decisions about any ensuing pregnancy cannot be trusted, and thus any decisions about that must also be made by the parents or by the state?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Is it my right to consider Barack Obama a Muslim, Russian a West Slavic language, and Jupiter a terrestrial planet?

It's my right to consider Pluto a planet.

 

[nickyboy]

Doug you are a legend

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Something that just occurred to me, a little argument to absurdity.

Let's take the following assumption:

A 16 year old cannot make an informed decision about sexual activity, and thus that decision must be made by the parents or by the state.

From this premise, does it not also follow that a 16 year old's decisions about any ensuing pregnancy cannot be trusted, and thus any decisions about that must also be made by the parents or by the state?

In that case, it's not always her decision. What if she's raped? She might not be comfortable telling too many people about that. Especially if her home life is...questionable.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

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Wow. A lot of people have voiced objections to this marriage but no one has gone as completely nuts about it as you have. Maybe you should take a step back and consider that you are not involved in this situation in any way and you have no right to pass judgment on it.

I do not particularly agree with a 16-year-old marrying a 51-year-old, but it was her parents who had to consent and under the law, they are permitted to do so. If it ends up being a bad decision, then that's what it is, but who the hell are you to go off calling the guy a pedophile, insulting the girl and her parents, and acting as if you should be the sole arbiter of what constitutes sound decisionmaking?

 

[Ninjacore]

Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOrD5kqyov0&feature=share

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/o...g_Hutchison_51_Interview_Video_20110716.shtml

This guy must be quite happy...

 

[doubleohfive]

Re: Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

Welcome to six weeks ago.

 

[Ninjacore]

Re: Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

Welcome to six weeks ago.

I think its still new worthy...

 

[Canadave]

Re: Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

Didn't we just have a thread about this?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Courtney Strodden, 16 married to 51 year old man...

It's funny how animals seem aware of the foolishness of their owners. For instance, this dog seems to be praying no one will ever see this picture. (Kill me, before some one I know sees this.)