Early Review of Picard Season 3

[Agony_Boothb]

Bryan Fuller is still under an NDA. In the meantime all we have to go on are statements made by people who are friends with him and likely have some knowledge of the situation. Hence my use of "allegation" which could then inform how YouTubers are interpreting the current studio office politics.

We don't just have statements to go on, we have the fact that Fuller was fired from two separate shows for the exact same reasons and behaviour to go on. Also, what NDA? Fuller's been talking about Discovery for years including to people like Robert Meyer Burnett. Of course Fuller isn't going to say 'I got fired because I was irresponsible with the budget and made creative decisions which delayed production and incited further costs'

 

[fireproof78]

We don't just have statements to go on, we have the fact that Fuller was fired from two separate shows for the exact same reasons and behaviour to go on. Also, what NDA? Fuller's been talking about Discovery for years including to people like Robert Meyer Burnett. Of course Fuller isn't going to say 'I got fired because I was irresponsible with the budget and made creative decisions which delayed production and incited further costs'

"Oh, ho, Robert, I'm actually quite bad with money. The fact that people keep hiring me is just proof that it's not what you know but who you know in this business, am I right? Yeah, I'm right!"

*From "Absolute Candor" the podcast.

 

[James Cole]

"Oh, ho, Robert, I'm actually quite bad with money. The fact that people keep hiring me is just proof that it's not what you know but who you know in this business, am I right? Yeah, I'm right!"

Ok, look, I think we disagree on the reading of the situation regarding to the extent Kurtzman was involved, but I have to say that part did make me laugh. Well done!

 

[eschaton]

I'm sure Season 1's preproduction was a shitshow for many reasons, but Fuller was fired or dropped from like 5 projects in a single year, and has been basically unemployed since. Either he had some mental health issue or substance abuse problems...maybe both. You don't just see successful showrunners melt down like that otherwise.

 

[James Cole]

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The Critical Drinker, whose channel has about the same reach as Red Letter Media, has positive things to say about season 3!

 

[Tuskin38]

The Critical Drinker, whose channel has about the same reach as Red Letter Media, has positive things to say about season 3!

The comments are turning on them.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The comments are turning on them.

Now critical whatever can feel what it's like to be a new star trek spin off.

 

[fireproof78]

Now critical whatever can feel what it's like to be a new star trek spin off.

Now witness to full power of this fully armed and operational Star Trek season!

 

[James Cole]

The comments are turning on them.

I'm not familiar with the pro-DISCOVERY YouTube channels, but on the anti-DISCOVERY side almost everyone is liking season 3 with the exception, of course, of Doomcock.

 

[Camren]

Honestly, the garbage calibre of people pushing Picard season 3 as the best thing ever is really worrying.

Bitter, middle aged white men? Your Star Trek is back!

What type of Star Trek are you referring to, and how does it appeal to "middle aged white men"?

 

[F. King Daniel]

What type of Star Trek are you referring to, and how does it appeal to "middle aged white men"?

More emphasis on starships and tech, white male leads, no lgbt elements. You know, the kind of Trek people like this can watch.

 

[Tuskin38]

More emphasis on starships and tech, white male leads, no lgbt elements. You know, the kind of Trek people like this can watch.

wtf I used to interact with him back during the Bridge Commander modding days, he was a fun guy to interact with

He designed some really cool ships, and built great models of canon ships.

 

[Uhura's Song]

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The Best Star Trek since Voyager Season 5 says the Popcast

The idea that DISCO & PIC portray a future that is bleak & without hope is complete bullsh!t. Or that they do not simehow represent Starfleet ideals is equally nonsense.

Now, feel free to like or dislike. But COME ON! Burnham's speech in S4 to try and talk to the species creating the DMA is the most Trek thing eva! (But to Connect...; Episode 6). As is the handling of Dora's sentinence in the same episode. In S4Ep4 the handling of Ni'Var joing the Federation ("All Is Possible.") Not to mention the final 2 episodes of S4.

Earlier seasons are replete with examples. In S1 the whole reason Burnham gets court-martialed is because she breaks with Star Fleet values. The Tardigrade episode is a wonderful reflection of that ("The Butcher's Knife Care's not for the Lamb's Cry.") The two Pahvo episodes are also wonderful examples (Ep 8 & 9).

Just because some of the settings are bleak (Klingon War, Mirror Universe, non-Federation future), the idea that the show itself is not optimistic is ludicrous. "New Eden" is all about staying true to Starfleet ideals (S2E2). "If Memory Serves" is another fine example from S2 (Ep8). Pike's decision to continue on despite knowing his fate ("Through the Valley of Shadows," ep 12) and the crew's decision to leap forward in time to preserve the present/future they love is the greatest collective sacrifice in the history of Trek. Maximun Starfleet. The needs of the many, FFS.

La Sirena does exactly the same thing in S2, but backwards. And S1 PIC is all about Pucard's optimism vs Romulan pessimism. Yeesh.

I mean, I have had issues with NuTrek, but the heart of Star Trek beats steady within it. To be sure. Every single season is infused with it. And I have not even mentioned the excellent PRO & LD stuff.

 

[James Cole]

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Popcast has a live stream going about season 3. Terry Matalas is in the chat.

 

[Camren]

More emphasis on starships and tech, white male leads, no lgbt elements. You know, the kind of Trek people like this can watch.

Starships and tech have always been key components of Star Trek, you hardly have to be white, middle aged and male to enjoy that aspect of Trek. That's always held a universal appeal to Trekkies regardless of their demographic. Those YouTubers complaining about Kurtzman Trek tend to be fans of 90s Trek including DS9 and Voyager and neither of those series had a white male captain. As for anti-LGBT elements, I agree there is an element of homophobia to some of these complaints. Story wise though, I think that the Seven-Raffi relationship feels a bit forced. Not because they are lesbians, or that Seven didn't display gay tendencies in Voyager, rather the relationship came out of nowhere and the two have no chemistry.

 

[Tuskin38]

rather the relationship came out of nowhere

Which is true, the actors came up with it in the finale.

 

[Jayson1]

There's no such thing is real or fake Trek. It's all the same.

Especially in the case of The Orville!

 

[The Old Mixer]

The jar that started it all...

 

[Uhura's Song]

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Popcast has a live stream going about season 3. Terry Matalas is in the chat.

Could not watch it all. Once the greybeard started talking about how no one has mental illness in the 24th century because utopia & the fact that TOS visited a place where people get treatment, and therefore Picard cannot have mommy issues, I just concluded he's a dummy.

First off, he might want to watch "Dagger of the Mind" again. I don't think it means what he thinks it means. It does not scream utopia/no mental illness here. I mean, the guy is lobotimizing people.

Second, there all sorts of diseases and degrees. Of COURSE people have mental issues in Star Trek. Troi is a ship's counselor, FFS. Ezri Dax as well. What a dumb@$$.

 

[fireproof78]

Could not watch it all. Once the greybeard started talking about how no one has mental illness in the 24th century because utopia & the fact that TOS visited a place where people get treatment, and therefore Picard cannot have mommy issues, I just concluded he's a dummy.

First off, he might want to watch "Dagger of the Mind" again. I don't think it means what he thinks it means. It does not scream utopia/no mental illness here. I mean, the guy is lobotimizing people.

Second, there all sorts of diseases and degrees. Of COURSE people have mental issues in Star Trek. Troi is a ship's counselor, FFS. Ezri Dax as well. What a dumb@$$.

What is often done with reviews like this is what people imagine as "Star Trek" vs. what Star Trek actually portrayed.