Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)
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I think he might have been in the first trailer but only very limited. A single line and a shot of him rising out of his bath.
I always wonder with Cosplayers if it's just the money or money+knowledge that makes professional props better. The suit in this video looks good but it still doesn't come close to the ones in the movie. Is money really that much of a game changer? When i see movie background material they often use stuff that anyone can get, especially in the age of 3D printing. They use the same sanding paper to weather things, they create the same molds using the same techniques i've seen cosplayers use etc. so what is it?
It's money, knowledge and time. I know of one fan who got his start as a prop maker because he attended a convention after spending weeks on recreating a suit from Robocop (I believe. Haven't heard the story in 15 odd years). People were impressed because he did his research and took time to get all the little details right. As you get more experienced, the details become more natural to pick up on and what materials work. Money is a game changer because good materials that look right and behave the same cost money, leather especially.
So, it's a lot of factors, plus patience in the attention to detail. Not everyone is patient to get it right.
Pretty much the same the experience Alia has being born.
I guess into the knowledge factor you could put the sketches, drawings etc that the costume designers come up with where as the cos players have to get by with screen caps.
I haven't seen much of Irulan yet but what I have seen I reckon she is gonna be a big hit with the convention cosplay crowd.
More application to Part 1 but as this is the more recent thread.
Youtube video looking at cut scenes from Part 1. Not necesarily filmed and deleted from the final cut but were planned in the original script but never filmed but evidence of the scenes still exist.
Youtube video looking at cut scenes from Part 1. Not necesarily filmed and deleted from the final cut but were planned in the original script but never filmed but evidence of the scenes still exist.
I still lament deletion of the scene of Gurney playing his baliset.
I guess only the miniseries went through with Gurney and his baliset. The Lynch movie deleted that scene (not surprised there, since it might have been wonderful music to the Atreides, but did nothing for 20th-century listeners).
It's a cute detail, but I always miss the banquet more.
It's a fairly crucial part of the book in terms of establishing the main players and a social overview of life on Arrakis itself. It hints to the connection between the smugglers and the Fremen. Distinguishes between city dwellers and the the merchant class, the pyon villages and the fremen sieches. Shows that there's more going on than just the Great Houses and the Imperium.
It's also the only time in the first half of the book where Paul is actually being proactive and not passive. We actually get to see him practicing statecraft and diplomacy (you know, the thing he was raised to do?)
Yeah, the banquet is missed and I was surprised Denis decided to omit it. I'm fine with losing the subplot of Thufir suspecting Jessica of treason and even Lady Fenring leaving a covert message to Jessica in the garden (but I do miss it), but I do think it's a shame we couldn't get one scene of Gurney playing his baliset. Hell, he brought it with him (in the novel) when they did their aerial inspection of the spice operation. Alas.
I'm not surprised. After all, he bragged that he was following the book, not Lynch's movie, then proceeded to copy all the major aspects of the Lynch movie, with the exception of character-appropriate casting.
Lynch omitted the banquet. So did Villeneuve. Once again, the miniseries got it right (except for Irulan being there, but Julie Cox was so amazingly good that I forgive her for her presence there in that bizarre butterfly dress).
That is among my favorite scenes in the mini-series, among several. But I like that dress as well as the Sardaukar uniforms. It's all so wonderfully over-the-top. Also, that scene with Paul and Irulan feels like you could rework it in to a romcom no problem.
I read a Dune fanfic years ago in which Alia, Chani, and Irulan stole Paul's credit card and went on a spending spree in the ritziest of Arrakeen's shops.
Never mind that it's unlikely Paul really had a credit card or that any of these women could get along for more than about 3 minutes (okay, Alia and Chani probably got along well enough, but neither of them liked Irulan), and they wouldn't go on a binge-shopping trip anyway. It was a fun story.
Irulan was stuck in an untenable situation, when you get down to it. All her life she'd been trained to become at least the power behind the throne even if there might be those in the Landsraad who would object to her being Empress in her own right. Her Bene Gesserit training should have enabled her to control whichever man she ended up marrying, but of course nobody was prepared for Paul Atreides and his Fremen. Paul used her rank and connections, and otherwise treated her like a secretary, rather than as a proper wife.
That dialogue where Irulan threatened to cuckold Paul and Chani told her to go ahead, as long as she was discreet and didn't become pregnant was actually between Irulan and Paul in the novel. It took on a different tinge in the miniseries, as that was Chani making it clear that she was not afraid of Irulan whatsoever, and as long as Irulan played by Chani's rules, she would be safe.
Irulan in the miniseries was quite aware of her father's expectations and the BG's expectations. The only time she balked was when Mohiam ordered her to make Chani miscarry if she should become pregnant. That is where Irulan drew the line and refused to obey.
While it is a good scene with great worldbuilding i wonder what it would have added to the movie itself in terms of story. To put it bluntly - it doesn't advance the story much if at all and "just" fleshes out some main characters. Other characters from that scene don't return at all so why invest time for something that isn't crucial to the story and characters when you can develop the main characters in a different way. That Paul has diplomatic skill or rather instinct is shown when he (and the others) meets Stilgar for the first time and takes it upon himself to make a proactive move and invite him to stay because he recognizes the importance he has for the Fremen and this his father/House Atreides.
I agree that it would have been nice to see him play the Baliset and sing, if only for 30 seconds - the scene of Duncan, Gurney and Paul with the other Atreides soldiers would have been the perfect setting for the Atreides Warmaster to entertain his troops and show he's more than a Harkonnen hating, blade wielding, poetry reciting badass. We have the second movie though and i hope we get to see his softer side there.
Well, he is adapting the book and so did Lynch, it was inevitable they would have to film the same scenes. Both made adaptation choices that overlapped coincidentally or maybe even not that coincidental ( what i wrote above). The miniseries just had more time to include such things, the movie has to concentrate all of that into roughly 2-3 hours per movie, so a large book like Dune will have to be cut down to the essentials.
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