Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)

[FPAlpha]

HBO revamping The Sisterhood, entire project is on hiatus with recasting and behind the scenes changes, including the departure of yet another showrunner:

https://deadline.com/2023/02/dune-t...ley-henderson-exit-hbo-max-series-1235273486/

Doesn't look too good on paper but since nobody really spills the beans it's impossible to say if this is normal production business ( people often leave projects) or if the show is in serious trouble.

We can only wait and at some point hopefully watch a good show.

 

[Set Harth]

HBO revamping The Sisterhood, entire project is on hiatus with recasting and behind the scenes changes, including the departure of yet another showrunner:

https://deadline.com/2023/02/dune-t...ley-henderson-exit-hbo-max-series-1235273486/

 

[Marc]

Doesn't look too good on paper but since nobody really spills the beans it's impossible to say if this is normal production business ( people often leave projects) or if the show is in serious trouble.

We can only wait and at some point hopefully watch a good show.

Don't think you need prescient vision to see the show heading for a crash unless some-one can put it on the golden path

 

[FPAlpha]

Don't think you need prescient vision to see the show heading for a crash unless some-one can put it on the golden path

I'm high on Sapho juice so anything is possible

 

[Timewalker]

From the article:

Dune: The Sisterhood, based on Frank Herbert’s classic novel, is set 10,000 years before the ascension of Paul Atreides. It follows the Harkonnen Sisters as they combat forces that threaten the future of humankind, and establish the fabled sect known as the Bene Gesserit.

Um... what? First of all, this isn't based on anything Frank Herbert wrote. It's based on that lamentable waste of trees his son and KJA wrote. And that one had zip-all nothing to do with any "Harkonnen sisters".

Besides which the Bene Gesserit already existed at the time of the Butlerian Jihad.

 

[JD]

Yeah, this not looking good for the show, according to the article on IGN, this is the already the second group of people to leave it.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Which one is Pinky and which one is Brian?

 

[Set Harth]

Pinky's the one on the right

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I was wondering if the power dynamic worked the same in the Brian Herbert and KJA relationship (Pinky and the Brian) as for Pinky and the Brain. Probably not worth thinking deeply about...or indeed at all.

 

[wayoung]

I was wondering if the power dynamic worked the same in the Brian Herbert and KJA relationship (Pinky and the Brian) as for Pinky and the Brain. Probably not worth thinking deeply about...or indeed at all.

Pinky and the Brain has been a (wildly inaccurate) nickname for the two of them since the late 90's, after the release of House Atreides

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I found it an amusingly dismissive epithet given the torrent of drivel they churned out.

 

[wayoung]

I found it an amusingly dismissive epithet given the torrent of drivel they churned out.

But Brain is brilliant, although megalomaniacal. Pinky is secretly even more intelligent. It's insulting to them and their accomplishments to be compared to BH & KJA.

 

[Timewalker]

Pinky and the Brain has been a (wildly inaccurate) nickname for the two of them since the late 90's, after the release of House Atreides

Hm. Yeah, it's the Jacurutu bunch that started that, if memory serves. I ended up kicking a few of them out of Arakeen because of their relentless trolling of both nuDune readers who joined (I'm death on staff abusing anyone on forums I run), plus Byron Merritt (I invited him to see for himself the high regard we had for his grandfather).

I'm actually one of the founding members of the Orthodox Herbertarians (as in only FH-written/approved Dune material is canon), but I wasn't "orthodox" enough to suit the others. I had the utter gall to be polite to KJA once, and there's no coming back from a crime like that.

 

[fireproof78]

Orthodox Herberarians? I guess there's no branch in my area...I usually fall with the more moderate Herbertarains.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Honestly, I don't care enough to say whether I'm orthodox or catholic. All I know is that the BH&KJA books seemed to become increasingly outlandish and divergent from what I thought I understood about FH's creation. Then there was the gaslighting that told me I'd fallen victim to Irulan's historical revisionism if I'm recalling it correctly (and I prefer to forget). That's when I realised I'd been played for a fool in investing my money and time in those of their novels that I did read. I am a rube no longer as far as those two are concerned. I donated their novels to a charity bookshop.

 

[Timewalker]

Orthodox Herberarians? I guess there's no branch in my area...I usually fall with the more moderate Herbertarains.

It was a thing on the old Arrakeen forum, a long time ago. There used to be over a dozen Dune forums with plenty of interesting discussions going on. Most are gone now, for various reasons.

Orthodox Herbertarianism can be summed up as "There can be only six." (FH's six Dune novels, though I personally favor including the Dune Encyclopedia as it had FH's blessing, plus the Dune material in the Eye anthology; it's an account of a "walking tour of Arrakeen" during the timeframe of Dune Messiah, along with some fantastic artwork of some of the characters and places in the Keep).

Then there was the gaslighting that told me I'd fallen victim to Irulan's historical revisionism if I'm recalling it correctly (and I prefer to forget). That's when I realised I'd been played for a fool in investing my money and time in those of their novels that I did read. I am a rube no longer as far as those two are concerned. I donated their novels to a charity bookshop.

That book (Paul of Dune) is the first book I literally threw across the room in disgust upon reading that. KJA/BH blatantly told the readers that nothing FH wrote was valid, that only their version of Dune was the "correct" one.

 

[theenglish]

Orthodox Herbertarianism can be summed up as "There can be only six." (FH's six Dune novels, though I personally favor including the Dune Encyclopedia as it had FH's blessing, plus the Dune material in the Eye anthology; it's an account of a "walking tour of Arrakeen" during the timeframe of Dune Messiah, along with some fantastic artwork of some of the characters and places in the Keep).

What about those of us who only consider the first four novels?

 

[Timewalker]

What about those of us who only consider the first four novels?

Feel free to make up your own self-identifying group name if the first four books are the ones you prefer and don't consider Heretics/Chapterhouse to be worthy of inclusion.

Personally, I found God Emperor a thankless slog for the most part (the best part of it is Duncan's fish-out-of-water culture shock and his anger at Leto for constantly bringing him back time after time, without even having the courtesy to ASK him if he wanted that). The last two have these unsettling incest/underage sex things going on, so I understand the folks who prefer just the first three. They wrap up Paul's story quite nicely (if tragically, but then I've always seen Paul as Dune's version of a Shakespearean tragic hero).

 

[DigificWriter]

The fractured nature of the Dune fandom is the reason why I quit engaging with it back when there were actually places where you could engage with it.

 

[Timewalker]

Well, it didn't help when KJA started calling us "Talifans" for not liking the nuDune books. Insulting the people you're hoping will help put food on your table by buying your books is never a smart idea.