Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by wayoung, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. wayoung

    wayoung Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    So WW84 pulled in just under $17 mil in the US, which is the most any film has all pandemic by $7 mil, despite the pandemic being at its worse level in the US.

    Another $68 mil internationally.

    I think that shows that there is definitely a pent up demand for getting out of the house when the pandemic is over, if people are already trickling back at the height of it (although maybe it's just all the anti lockdown activists and Covid is fake nutcases:shrug:).

    I really wouldn't be surprised if by October 1.5 years of not being able to go to a theatre results in huge explosion in attendance. In Canada, it's expected that everyone will be vaccinated by the end of September. I don't know anywhere elses expectations though.

    Fingers crossed.
     
  2. JD

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    I'm very, very, very optimistic, but I've learned that even having a great cast, with a great director doesn't always guarantee a great film, so I'm not going to start talking about it being great 'til I've seen it.
     
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  3. Samurai8472

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    Case in point. "Cowboys VS Aliens"

    Jon Favreau directing
    Spielberg producing
    Ron Howard producing

    Still ended up being subpar.
     
  4. JD

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    I'm one of the few people who actually liked Cowboys & Aliens, although even I'll admit, it probably wasn't as good as that kind of pedigree would make you expect.
     
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  5. Tosk

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    With Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof's names on the screenplay. 'Nuff said. ;)
     
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  6. Kai "the spy"

    Kai "the spy" Admiral Admiral

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    That's actually the thing, though. The director of Elf and Iron Man, the writers of Transformers and nuTrek, and the movie literally titled "Cowboys & Aliens", and the thing the movie suffers from the most is that it took itself too seriously. How the fuck was that even an option?
     
  7. CaptainJonathanArcher

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    You raised very valid points.
     
  8. Tom Hendricks

    Tom Hendricks Asoka, the real chosen one Premium Member

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    I love Dune but I think the HBO Max & Theatrical release is the best option. I believe even without COVID, the chance of Dune being a financial hit is tenuous at best.

    I think it has a better chance at being a hit by being streamed and released in theaters. More people are opt to watch something they are iffy about watching at home then going to the theater. Now with COVID people are even less going to take the chance on a movie like Dune.
     
  9. Shaka Zulu

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    This because of the very same people who say they want to see intelligent science fiction movies instead of the usual space opera sci-fi or the ones from the superhero sub-genre, but as soon as said pictures are made and released, they don't see them, and then they fail at the box office (case in point, this particular director's past project. )

    Unlike you, I think that it would've be a hit at the box office, and to be frank, I think that your methodology for why it wouldn't/won't be a hit at the box office to be on very shaky ground.

    The fact that a vaccine now exists isn't enough for you or others to try to get out and see a movie? This more than confirms Villenuve's statement and anger at this happening.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Sad but true People talk about wanting a certain product but don't always buy it. It's frustrating part of business to try to guage the market.
     
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  11. wayoung

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    Seems like sociologists are leaning towards an explosion of activity and spending while others are saying that people will be too paranoid to do the old things that loved.

    Considering how many people are still doing shit despite the pandemic (or are idiots who think it's fake) and my own desire to get out and DO SOMETHING I'm leaning towards the explosion.
     
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  12. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    "The fact that a vaccine now exists" isn't sufficient for most thinking people to make plans to do any specific things yet.
     
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  13. JD

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    Right now maybe, but once it becomes available for everyone, people will start going back to the theaters and things like that.
    Hell, there are still people going out to parties and things now, even without the vaccine. My neighbor had a party on NYE, now I only heard, so I don't know how many masks were worn, but just having a party all is pretty bad right now. And every weekend there are big groups of maskless people having parties and get togethers at the park by my house. And I still see maskless people out shopping all the time.
    If they can't stop people from doing this shit with a vaccine, you can't convince me that people aren't going to be rushing out the second they are vaccinated.
     
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  14. wayoung

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    Due to lockdown preventing me from celebrating NYE with anyone not in my household Paul, Duncan and I decided to have a bit of a party.

    It was a bust.

    Paul immediately locked himself in my spice cupboard and Duncan got smashed, leaving me to watch bad movies and build lego by myself all night.

    I would have invited Jessica, but thought it would be weird to make Paul party with his mom and the last time Duncan drank around her it did not go well...

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  15. JD

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    Only two of your images came up.
     
  16. StarCruiser

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    They're the same images - somehow duplicated...
     
  17. wayoung

    wayoung Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah, I hate the image posting here. I somehow always screw it up. When I posted they wouldn't work and when I edited I couldn't delete the non functioning ones just try again.
     
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    WW84 is doing pretty well considering the circumstances. The big worry for Dune is that WW84 is a superhero film, and they have had pretty broad appeal in recent years. Dune is a niche sci-fi film. I would expect it to do half what WW84 does. Warners will have to look at those final WW84 numbers and decide what the cost of marketing a theatrical-only release for Dune is worth to them to get an acceptable ROI.
     
  19. wayoung

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    None of that is true.

    1) After a decent for the situation opening, WW84 crashed and burned last weekend, down by 70%. It's grand total is now $28 mil. Whether that's because everyone who is willing to go to a theatre in the middle of a pandemic went to see it when it opened or the bad word of mouth and the bad critical reviews caused the drop is unknown.

    The only place it is doing well is Australia.

    2). "Dune will make half WW84 makes" is a nonsense statement. No, it's not as well known as wonder woman, but it's still the best selling sci fi novel in history, has been topping the Amazon charts again since the trailer dropped, stars the hottest cast in Hollywood today, is directed by one of the hottest directors (who considers it the best film he has ever made), and, as planned, was supposed to be the start of its own kind of cinematic universe with TV shows and films. The people making it obviously expected this to be a billionish dollar film (and it is called such in many of the letters/articles written by insiders since the WB/HBOMax announcement) . It very well may bomb covid or no covid. It's a risk. But while your and others personal expectations are that it would never be financially successful, the people making it obviously think otherwise. Plus, October will not be Dec 2020. What it will be no one knows, but no one thinks it will be as bad as the current situation. Most places are hopeful the vaccines will be fully distributed by then - although, again, anything can happen.

    3). WB invested only 1/4 of the budget for Dune. That's why they want it on HBOMax. They get paid twice for every rental on HBOmax. They would make their money on it. That's why it's set to go there. It's everyone else BUT WB who loses money on HBO max - the people who actually paid for and made the film. WB doesn't want theatrical. They aren't re-evaluating ROI on Dune based on WW84. Wonder Woman is part of an in house money printing machine. Dune is a distribution deal. They're completely different financial situation for WB.
     
  20. Marc

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    The other problem for releases on HBOMAX is that that high quality rips will appear on the torrent sites very quickly which can quickly eat into a potential market and that probably affected WonderWoman 1984. In the past people would have gone to the cinema or make do with dodgy cam pirate recordings.
     
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