Maybe they meant the only "starship". The biggest and best tool in the Starfleet mix of ships.And Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant...
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The NAR ships are over at Starbase 4, trying not to be insulted.
No idea, but Sternback apparently said it meant merchant-type vessels, although it was used for the USS Raven (i.e. the Hansen's ship in VOY). The VOY Tech Manual (internal writers' doc) suggests it also applies to any non-Starfleet ship still under Federation jurisdiction.
The Raven's use of USS is odd, because the SS Vico also had an NAR prefix and, despite being an Oberth-Class ship, was apparently a civilian research vessel. The mining shuttle Nenebek (TNG: Final Mission) also had an NAR code and seemed to be civilian.
The Raven's use of USS is odd, because the SS Vico also had an NAR prefix and, despite being an Oberth-Class ship, was apparently a civilian research vessel. The mining shuttle Nenebek (TNG: Final Mission) also had an NAR code and seemed to be civilian.
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I agree.
There's some sort of "Fleet auxiliary" being hinted at here. "NCC" belongs to "ships of the line", clearly, but something else is providing support services...
And not all of them are combatants, or even armed. In the current US Navy, there are about 490 total ships; about half of them are commissioned vessels (i.e. the ships people think about when they hear the word "Navy"), with the rest being transports and logistical support ships of assorted types.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy
One just wonders if someone on the writing staff is trying to one-up the Orville guys' fleet size. :P But in practice, even with 3500 actual commissioned ships, and then a good chunk of that dedicated to non-exploration or scientific types, I have little reason to not believe there are that many ships zipping around out there. Sure, the numbers don't match up, but it's not like they're about to until at least the early 24th century, where having 7000 ships a hundred years prior to TNG sounds actually about right. :P
Mark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy
One just wonders if someone on the writing staff is trying to one-up the Orville guys' fleet size. :P But in practice, even with 3500 actual commissioned ships, and then a good chunk of that dedicated to non-exploration or scientific types, I have little reason to not believe there are that many ships zipping around out there. Sure, the numbers don't match up, but it's not like they're about to until at least the early 24th century, where having 7000 ships a hundred years prior to TNG sounds actually about right. :P
Mark
Could be older pre-Federation ships and planetary member world ships included in that figure. Despite there age, the mid-22nd century Vulcan and Andorian starships could probably still be viable ships in the mid-23rd century. Certainly not front line duty, but good for secondary rolls. Even if the can only top out at Warp 7.
Especially since that just might be Discovery's top speed. There could be some technical plateauing in the warp speed department if so.
Oh, and let's talk weapons for now with three points:
- The phaser that papa Burnham used was the same as in use on Discovery, despite a twenty-year gap.
- Section 31 has their own weapons! A sleeker pistol which has hints of the TWOK and TFF/TUC phasers, and t big sleek rifle to match.
- Discovery's forward torpedoes emerge from the... front ends of the nacelles.
Discuss!
Mark
Oh, and let's talk weapons for now with three points:
- The phaser that papa Burnham used was the same as in use on Discovery, despite a twenty-year gap.
- Section 31 has their own weapons! A sleeker pistol which has hints of the TWOK and TFF/TUC phasers, and t big sleek rifle to match.
- Discovery's forward torpedoes emerge from the... front ends of the nacelles.
Discuss!
Mark
Dammit Mark, now you make me want to scrub the video and check out the details you pointed out!
Around the TOS era, the Federation had a Top Speed slightly past Warp 7 on the old TOS Warp Scale, right? It wouldn't be for a while until we see the Federation get to the much faster TNG scale and faster speeds in general.
IRL, the 1911 pistol design has been around since 1911 until now and still going in terms of popularity amongst fans; I'm sure a popular Phaser Pistol design could literally stay in civilian hands for just as long, if not longer.
They are a well funded Special Ops Spy group. I wouldn't be surprised if they are literally on the cutting edge of every bit of technology. Our Special Forces groups usually are on the cutting edge as well.
I've always wondered what those two tiny tubes next to the Bussard Collector were. This literally answers that question. They probably light up the Torpedo Tubes to be the same color as the Bussard Collector so that it camoflages as the Bussard Collector which makes for natural camoflage.
Imagine having a hard time pin pointing where the Torpedo tubes are on a StarFleet vessel until you see them firing out of it.
Having 2x Torpedo Tubes per Bussard Collector / Warp Nacelle allows for reasonably fast rapid firing of torpedos like when they sent 6x Torpedos to blow up that facility (3x Torpedos came out of each Nacelle).
But the bigger question is WHY design the Foreward Torpedo Tube Launchers to share the same housing as the "Bussard Collectors" on the Warp Nacelles?
What Advantages are there to doing things this way?
What Dis-Advantages are there?
What Advantages are there to doing things this way?
What Dis-Advantages are there?
It's probably a unique experimental positioning for the Crossfield class. Maybe they figured to put them there because the otherwise traditional (for ENT and TOS) placement of tubes in the saucer would not make sense for the cavitation config they had, and no one thought that putting them in the connecting dorsal would be a neat idea yet.
Well, assuming holo-Mayweather was accurate, in 2161 they were just starting to test warp 7 capable Starfleet craft. If "Brother" is similarly accurate and Discovery tops out at warp 7, and the Connie breaks the mold with warp 8 a few years later, then I wonder if there hasn't been all that much progress in about 100 years.
Mark
Well, assuming holo-Mayweather was accurate, in 2161 they were just starting to test warp 7 capable Starfleet craft. If "Brother" is similarly accurate and Discovery tops out at warp 7, and the Connie breaks the mold with warp 8 a few years later, then I wonder if there hasn't been all that much progress in about 100 years.
There is precedent or this. In 2344, Lieutenant Castillo of the Enterprise-C was seen wielding a phaser contemporary with 2270-84. OTOH, the Burnham family was at that point working with Section 31 and may have had access to the then brand-new Discovery phaser pistols, at a time when the "Cage" phaser/laser guns were the front line equipment.
Mark
It would've been nice if they would've FedEx'd over one of those really steampunk phasers they built for the Kelvin in ST09. I would've plotzed if they used a Cage pistol, it's not like we saw it up close and they needed all the detailing on the DSC version.
I'm not trusting that any more than all of the other random places photon torpedos have fired from on the Discovery.
Thing is, I don't remember many shots of torpedoes firing at ALL on this show, and it's not like the ship has been in THAT many firefights on screen so far. The most notable instance is probably when Discovery assaults the big mirror universe disco ball in "What's Past Is Prologue", with fore AND aft torpedoes being fired from vague locations:
Otherwise, this season we have a torpedo casket being fired aft from the same general place as where the landing pods popped out, and a forward torpedo being fired from a nondescript tube-forward view. This is arguably the most distinct place we've seen so far, but whether it's a "Darmok" level of inconsistency has yet to be seen.
Mark
Otherwise, this season we have a torpedo casket being fired aft from the same general place as where the landing pods popped out, and a forward torpedo being fired from a nondescript tube-forward view. This is arguably the most distinct place we've seen so far, but whether it's a "Darmok" level of inconsistency has yet to be seen.
Mark
3,500? Is that reference to The Orville's Planetary Union fleet?
I was thinking of a pre-2256 Starfleet size of 1,500, maximum. Mainly because of the registry number angle...
Well, there could be more Torpedo Tubes then what we think is on the vessel.
I didn't know they had an "Aft Torpedo Tube" till they fired the casket out.
When they jumped around the Sarcophagus ship, the graphics for the Torpedoes roughly came in from the Nacelles, slightly below in fact.
Random musings:
- I don't believe in an aft torpedo tube yet. The ship has four tubes for launching large objects including those landing pods; good for burials, and preferable to the garbage chute, but no torpedo launcher qualities demonstrated yet.
- The forward tubes I'd still love to place in the "pylons" (the outer parts of the thick and sturdy hull, with nice features on the leading edges), even if close to the nacelles. It remains to be seen whether I can go on thinking that.
- I trust the three-barrel Phaser 2s of DSC and "The Cage" are just two parallel models, not necessarily differing much in introduction date. If anything, the "The Cage" model persists for longer. But not by much. And I'm still hoping to see one of the three DSC barrels spit out laser beams.
- I like the idea that the 7,000 would still include "national" fleets at this time and age, ships with prefixes other than NCC. The diverse insignia of TOS could be a remnant of that, too, in a variation of what Chris Bennett and others currently suggest.
- The whole angel-catching business is poorly handled from the techno-logical viewpoint so far. The latest problem: if the heroes can transfer Sphere Data, this means they can destroy Sphere Data, since the Data is fine with being transferred to wherever, and with being destroyed at the source afterwards. No need to blow up the hero ship, then - just move the data to a portable drive and blow that up.
Timo Saloniemi
- I don't believe in an aft torpedo tube yet. The ship has four tubes for launching large objects including those landing pods; good for burials, and preferable to the garbage chute, but no torpedo launcher qualities demonstrated yet.
- The forward tubes I'd still love to place in the "pylons" (the outer parts of the thick and sturdy hull, with nice features on the leading edges), even if close to the nacelles. It remains to be seen whether I can go on thinking that.
- I trust the three-barrel Phaser 2s of DSC and "The Cage" are just two parallel models, not necessarily differing much in introduction date. If anything, the "The Cage" model persists for longer. But not by much. And I'm still hoping to see one of the three DSC barrels spit out laser beams.
- I like the idea that the 7,000 would still include "national" fleets at this time and age, ships with prefixes other than NCC. The diverse insignia of TOS could be a remnant of that, too, in a variation of what Chris Bennett and others currently suggest.
- The whole angel-catching business is poorly handled from the techno-logical viewpoint so far. The latest problem: if the heroes can transfer Sphere Data, this means they can destroy Sphere Data, since the Data is fine with being transferred to wherever, and with being destroyed at the source afterwards. No need to blow up the hero ship, then - just move the data to a portable drive and blow that up.
Timo Saloniemi
But did they ever state what modes they are? Beam, Bolt, Cone?
Something within the data, (Assuming Advanced Ancient Alien Malware) has just hijacked the computer / storage module on Discovery. Those crazy Ancient Alien programmers, come up with the craziest adaptive malware for self preservation. Just like the Malware you hear about that randomly encrypts entire hard drives now a days.
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