DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

[BuckarooSamurai]

Also worst trek series still=better than most other series out there.

 

[BuckarooSamurai]

The difference is for the first time on Trek, such a race was actually treated with respect instead of patronizing. That attitude occurred in early episodes, but fortunately the Starfleet characters mostly got past it.

I disagree, Trek usually had a fairly respective attitude towards such races and religions, it was only when such races used it as an excuse for genocide, murder, or heck simply not allowing whatever Trek crew was involved to simply leave said planet it became patronizing.

Example of respect :Klingon Religion/Rituals, Ferengi Religion, or just belief in general the show is quite respectful.

Again not a hater, just like DS9 the least.

 

[Sjaddix]

the ancients and an evil religious group called the ori who were most of the ancient population.

now as for bajor being a major foe possible but only if sisko went back to lead them and the prophets gave him knowledge to create their tech

so what did B5 do that was different and better?

 

[TheGodBen]

However I do believe religion has a lot of negatives (specifically to outagroups, and dissenters) and personally DS9 showed a lot of those negatives in a favorable light.

Religion does have negative aspects, and what I like about DS9 is that it showed those along with the positive aspects. It showed that people like Winn are willing to feign faith in order to attain political power, but it also showed people like Bareil that used their faith for good. Overall the show was pretty balanced and took a more mature stance on the subject than TNG which tended to just dismiss religion entirely.

Just felt Bab5 dealt with the same issues a lot better than DS9 but with less production values and acting chops.

I like Babylon 5, and it certainly did serialised storytelling better than DS9, but there are areas where I felt DS9 surpassed it. For example, the heroes on B5 were never put into a place where they had to question their principles, there was no Pale Moonlight moment. More importantly, the show lacked nuanced villains. The Shadows were pretty much nameless CGI creatures, and President Clark was a joke in his lack of development. The only proper recurring villains the show had were Bester, Lord Refa, and Mordin, and none of them were humanised to the extent that Dukat or Winn were. DS9 gave plenty of screen-time to the the villains and that allowed them to develop in interesting and unexpected ways. Take Damar, a low-level Cardassian thug when he was introduced but by the final season he was an important, multi-faceted character and it was all because DS9 chose to spend the time developing its villains.

Both DS9 and B5 have advantages and disadvantages over one another, and which show you'll prefer is simply a matter of taste.

 

[MacLeod]

^I wouldn't say that I prefer DSN over B5 or vice versa, both shows are good in their own right.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Other than the Bajorans, I'd say Klingon religion was the only one given any sort of respect. But even then, the Klingons, according to legend, killed their gods--a very Nietzchean statement. The Ferengi religion was treated as a farce; in fact, the Ferengi got some of the worst, most racist treatment of all the characters, both in the writing itself and the way all of the characters were treated.

As for the Bajorans, ANY other Trek episode or series would've simply dismissed them as stupid and needing to be saved from the Prophets rather than allowing any sort of hint that good things could come from their faith and that these were intelligent, reasonable people.

 

[Sadara]

In a way I can empathize, but I think you come across as really hostile toward the show. Sorry.

I started out watching TNG when I was 11 back in the early 90's. It took me three tries of watching TOS before I saw an episode that sucked me into the rest of the series. Now I love TOS better than TNG. Why? Because it had some great plots (not all the time, but when the eps were great, they were great) and because I felt the characters were more interesting and had better chemistry. What kept turning me off originally were the cheesy special effects that were outdated by 20 years.

I agree that the first bit of DS9 isn't that great. I much prefer the later seasons myself, but overall I think DS9 is an excellent show for a number of reasons. The plot unfolds like a novel with each episode like a chapter. Very different than the standalone episodes of the other series and I think it's a strength here. The characters are interesting and you even get some awesome recurring characters as well that have significant contributions to the plot.

 

[zar]

As for the Bajorans, ANY other Trek episode or series would've simply dismissed them as stupid and needing to be saved from the Prophets rather than allowing any sort of hint that good things could come from their faith and that these were intelligent, reasonable people.

Counterpoint: Voyager episode "Emanations"

 

[Sadara]

Hard to judge DS9 as being worst ever when you openly admit you haven't seen hardly any of it.

I have seen enough over the years to know that everytime I turn & try to watch it on it makes me turn it off again because it stinks that bad

The writers are right you don't need a fancy ship to explore...

Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated. If the writer were right about not needing a ship then why after 2 season did the suddenly add the defiant. They realized they made a big mistake that was hurting the rating of the show. When major changes are made to revamp a series such as adding a new ship, or hiring a actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition that is a sign the a show is flagging.

Adding, or replacing a cast member with one from a previous series is & remains a DS9 exclusive.

DS9 is the only Star Trek series in history to have done this.

...there is more than one kind of exploration, exploration of humanity and interacting with all the various alien cultures that travel to the station as opposed to the tired planet of the week setup.

Oh puke. I had enough of the touch-feely exploration of the inner depths of our feeling from watching TNG (why didn't they just phase Deanna Tori into sub atomic particles).

I agree Troi sucks, but I recommend Star Wars if you're less interested in plumbing the depths of philosophy and feelings and whatnot. "A lot less talk, and a lot more action."

 

[Sadara]

Baiting other posters is the definition of trolling. You've stated your intention to bait others, and to be intolerant, dismissive, and rude, merely because "turnabout is fair play."

Good luck with that. If you get warned for it, don't say you weren't warned.

...wait, that's not right.

I will speak my opinion anytime I want. I don't back down to bullies who try to get me to censor myself, or who try to shame me from posting my thoughts, or those that make any sort of threats to me.

You & the trolls on here aren't my first that I have dealt with, and you certainly won't be the last. This "Good Ol' Boys Club" that is here on the Trek BBS of the intolerant, are dismissive, rude, and condescending doesn't impress me in the least bit, nor does it intimidate me at all.

You were the one that came in here with the intent to rile people up. That makes *you* the bully.

 

[T'Pala]

I can argue with a 100 pieces of evidence that Star Trek is better than Star Wars.

 

[Sadara]

I can argue with a 100 pieces of evidence that Star Trek is better than Star Wars.

And I would agree.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

So would I, and yet I stand by my love for the SW prequels. Love knows no reason.

 

[Danoz]

Personally, I loved the pilot and the first few episodes. Original poster is crazy, that's the only possibility

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

So would I, and yet I stand by my love for the SW prequels. Love knows no reason.

And the much-appreciated difference between you and certain people is that you like what you like, but you don't feel the need to ram it down other people's throats. That's how it should be.

 

[T'Pala]

Hey didn't mean anything by it, I'm just trying to get in 50 posts so I can finally give myself an avatar.

 

[jpch]

TOS= old boring and sexist...(Kirk is too arrogant and is not good looking at all)

TNG= limited action,exploration,new species,mostly inside Ent-D(Romulans/Borg amazing) (Riker sexiest guy in the Galaxy <3 reason enough to watch LOL)

DS9= first 2 seasons=crap lowest ratings ever and boring. after season 3 all out action pew pew blowing ships...cool battles.(the all out war idea was original for trek)

VOY= TNG exploration + DS9 action ,it mixed both along a very special domain the Delta Quadrant.(Borg/Species 8472 <3,Hirogen,Krenim) amazing new aliens new worlds as well as best CGI ever XD

ENT= i would put it in its own shell...it was too different for us new Gen Trekkie. was decent... even Brannon Braga said it himself he wanted it to be Successful like Voy but failed....

 

[Sjaddix]

Really Besides Species 8472 who did not get nearly enough play. There were really no major new aliens of note. Also overuse of the Borg.

 

[jpch]

Really Besides Species 8472 who did not get nearly enough play. There were really no major new aliens of note. Also overuse of the Borg.

um the Hirogen,Krenim,Malon,Vadwaar,Devor,Ocampa,kazon,Vidiians,Brunali,Norcadians,Numiri,Komar, ...there is plenty more

 

[zar]

Those are all major? Wait, why are we talking about Voyager?