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DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

Until you stuff it full of glitter and firecrackers.

The bigger drain on the budget was not the models themselves, but the arduous tracking shots required to put many of them in motion at once. If I am not mistaken, many of the model were, in fact, off the shelf kits, not created newly for the show.

But weren't many of the Dominion war battles done in CGI?

Yes, they did, and it looked like crap. It was a big plate the SFX team couldn't handle. There was an episode where the Defiant was destroyed, and then another episode where another Defiant class ship was christened as the Defiant - A. THEN, there was another mindless battle episode where the old Defiant was guns blazing all over the screen when it was established it was destroyed and had a new registry identification.

Horrible. Completely horrible.

Nonsense.

DS9 (And Voyager and Enterprise) CGI effects were state of the art, and, for the most part, still look good today.

Reusing some effects in the finale has no bearing on their quality.

Also, What You Leave Behind is hardly a mindless battle episode.
 
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DS9 was going through a war, battles are fought in wars, so hardly "pointless battle scenes". What VOY descended into was pointless battle scene after pointless battle scene to resolve most episodes.
 
IMO The negative/confrontational nature of the original post and thread title was just a way for the OP to bait Niners into getting defensive over DS9. The OP could have simply stated that he didn't enjoy the few DS9 episodes he had seen and stated the reasons.

Yep. Don't like DS9? Then stop watching it. And stop posting in this forum for the purpose of riling people up. I've only seen a few episodes of Enterprise and I didn't like it; but that doesn't give me license to go over to that forum and start a bash thread.

The nail screams after the hammer hits it on the head.....
 
Why are you quoting yourself? holy macaroni!

"See! See! I've proved by answering myself that I'm smarter than everyone else!"

Sorry for jumping into this thread so late but the OP/provocateur/would-be-idiot-savant deserves all the push back we can muster....

And why criticize the addition of Worf? If any character deserves ridicule as a addition meant simply to spice up a show's ratings, that would be 7 of 9.....
 
I'm watching the series through for the first time and I'm on about ep 16 of season 5, and I've seen enough where I can say DS9 is the best Star Trek show of them all.
 
I think DS9 the best Trek show. I think it did the best job of discussing social topics in a sci-fi setting, which is the goal of Trek, IMO. The first season wasn't great, but it had just enough good episodes to keep me into it. But it didn't start getting good until the Dominion showed up, and it didn't really start getting good until the Dominion War started. It was the Dominion War that pushed DS9 over TNG for me.
 
I think DS9 the best Trek show. I think it did the best job of discussing social topics in a sci-fi setting, which is the goal of Trek, IMO. The first season wasn't great, but it had just enough good episodes to keep me into it. But it didn't start getting good until the Dominion showed up, and it didn't really start getting good until the Dominion War started. It was the Dominion War that pushed DS9 over TNG for me.

Yes, and I like the way Sisko blows up ships without warning and drops deadly poison on planets with children on them just because he's angry at one man.

Picard with all his flaws never did anything like that.
 
D.S.9. certainly wasn't the worst (that's kind of a tie between Voyager and Enterprise) Trek series, but it's certainly the most overpraised. I watched every episode and that depth was more often than not, topical at best. For a show that became so convoluted in war, it seems the writers just didn't want to be bothered to read about real war in history or even battle tactics, to add realism to the show. Surprisingly the characters that had depth were the ones brought off TNG; even Sisko had less and had there been not wife loss in the Wolf 359 battle, what would we have been left with? Same thing for the strong religious underpinnings of the Bajorin people -- it's almost as if a lot of that was written by people with light to no religious faith.

And for every shit Voyager did on the Borg, D.S.9. did on the Klingons. What a waste.


Now, props are given for defining the Ferengi better and expanding them from cowardly hunched over laser-whip carrying trolls. But Armin's assertion seems to indicate this was more or less his idea.


The bad guys feel wasted, the clash between good and bad often feels empty, so much potential was never seen, and in the end I don't feel anywhere near as satisfied as I was with TNG. And TNG had some weak episodes in the first season, and a number of boring fillers in the last two. And it also had "Code of Honor".



If anything good came out of it, it was the scoring.
 
D.S.9. certainly wasn't the worst (that's kind of a tie between Voyager and Enterprise) Trek series, but it's certainly the most overpraised. I watched every episode and that depth was more often than not, topical at best. For a show that became so convoluted in war, it seems the writers just didn't want to be bothered to read about real war in history or even battle tactics, to add realism to the show. Surprisingly the characters that had depth were the ones brought off TNG; even Sisko had less and had there been not wife loss in the Wolf 359 battle, what would we have been left with? Same thing for the strong religious underpinnings of the Bajorin people -- it's almost as if a lot of that was written by people with light to no religious faith.

And for every shit Voyager did on the Borg, D.S.9. did on the Klingons. What a waste.


Now, props are given for defining the Ferengi better and expanding them from cowardly hunched over laser-whip carrying trolls. But Armin's assertion seems to indicate this was more or less his idea.


The bad guys feel wasted, the clash between good and bad often feels empty, so much potential was never seen, and in the end I don't feel anywhere near as satisfied as I was with TNG. And TNG had some weak episodes in the first season, and a number of boring fillers in the last two. And it also had "Code of Honor".



If anything good came out of it, it was the scoring.

One could object that they destroyed Ferenginar as an original concept and turned it into an ordinary federation planet. The last straw being turning the Nagus-ship to Rom who would eliminate the last remnants for cultural idiosyncrasy.

Maybe Eddington was right when he said "Worse than the borg you assimilate people and they don't even know it" except that he was also unwittingly speaking of the series itself.

You don't make good stories with happy people.
 
DS9 challenges one's preconceptions about 'what Star Trek should be' in several different ways.

1. 'Stationary' setting. Where's the fuckin Enterprise, dammit!

2. Black lead. What, a n--- is commanding all these white folk?

3. Religion? Who give a crap about that crap? It's all about SCIENCE, dummy.

What Trekkie can really argue against multi-fleet-encompassing, epic space battles?

If one considers this to be the worst the Trek franchise has to offer, one should reconsider what they really expect from fiction and why they think a certain brand of fiction is their fave.
 
2. Black lead. What, a n--- is commanding all these white folk?
The chatter before the pilot aired went deeper into diversity as represented on the show, not just the enthnicity of the lead. The second in command was a woman; four characters were non-humans; and the two "white guys" had accents (Sid wasn't yet identifying himself as an Arab, but as an Englishman).
 
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