DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER

[STEPhon IT]

NECRO THREAD. Let it R.I.P.

Well, it should be fine, since people are building on the discussion again, and in Stephon's defense, he had a nice big post to add to it. I'm not sure what the mods will say, but I figure now that the ball's rolling again, let it roll. Plus, it saves us from another thread that says DS9 is the worst Star Trek series ever.

That being said, on topic, I love DS9, and am a niner for life.

Hello, J. Allen, my name is STEPhonie, how are you?

 

[Amaris]

NECRO THREAD. Let it R.I.P.

Well, it should be fine, since people are building on the discussion again, and in Stephon's defense, he had a nice big post to add to it. I'm not sure what the mods will say, but I figure now that the ball's rolling again, let it roll. Plus, it saves us from another thread that says DS9 is the worst Star Trek series ever.

That being said, on topic, I love DS9, and am a niner for life.

Hello, J. Allen, my name is STEPhonie, how are you?

I'm doing fine, thanks for asking. Regarding your thoughts on DS9, I am a big fan of the earlier seasons as well. I'm not so big a fan of the Dominion War arc, even though some fine episodes came out of it. I prefer the earlier seasons, probably just a little past when they were issued the Defiant.

 

[MacLeod]

Whether or not you liked the Dominion War at least it was ST trying something different, surely it can be better to try even if you ultimatly fail than not to try at all.

One of the critisims levelled at VOY is that it was TNG-lite. Or basically the same as what we've had before, same goes for ENT to a certain degree. Both of those shows failed to meet expectations for a percentage of the audiance. In ENT example S4 is generally percieved to be one of the better seasons of that show, and in that season it embraced it's premises of being a prequel show.

 

[Sarahjs]

I just had to come into this thread because I feel that DS9 is the BEST Star Trek Series EVER. Seems like it's been necroed from 2012 though, so my apologies for posting in it - I will try to reply to the more recent comments! - No, I do not have the patience to read the whole thread - it's too long.

I feel like I am one of those people who liked both early DS9 and War-time DS9. It was, in my opinion, a way for the show to evolve and change over time.

To be fair, there are some episodes I consider to be rubbish in both S1-3 and S4-7 (for those who wish to split it that way). however, to me, it is the most original and entertaining of all the Trek Series. To be fair, IMO, there are more weaker episodes in S1-3, before the official start of the Dominion War.

I don't think, however, that either opinion is invalid, it's just a matter of preference to me. If I were to pick - I would favour War Time DS9 - because this is what most appeals to me personally about the series. This opinion is in contrast to STEPHon IT - but it's always cool for me to read someone else's perspective of the show.

I've been speaking for too long now I think - Ordinarily I have few words to say and prefer not to overwhelm others with my opinions. But to summarize, my favourite ST series is DS9 and, though I like all the other treks, I can't imagine this opinion changing.

PS. is anyone going to FedCon in Germany in May? If so I will see you there and we can discuss more Trek.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

DS9 is the best series and "In the Pale Moonlight" is the best episode ever.

Anybody who doesn't agree with me is dumb.

 

[Sarahjs]

DS9 is the best series and "In the Pale Moonlight" is the best episode ever.

Anybody who doesn't agree with me is dumb.

LOL! This is just about my opinion exactly, except I'm too scared to call people dumb!!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Please feel free to dislike DS9.

Huh? I've never said I disliked Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; the first three seasons were the best shows of the series to me. Glad there's a forum I can express my thoughts on it.

It does seem that what you love about the series is merely a springboard for discussing what you hate about the series.

 

[HGN2001]

I am moving on now from this thread. I have accomplished my troll.

...fixed that for you.

 

[kkt]

Hm. I am not really a fan of the battle scenes, people shooting, things blowing up. And in truth as I rewatch the series I'm less interested in watching the episodes that are heavy on battles than I am scenes with characters interacting. However, there are lots and lots of great episodes and scenes in seasons 4-7 that were not battle scenes, and even a good many episodes that had nothing to do with the war at all.

And having decided to tell a war story, at least they tell a war story with believable negative effects on the heroes. The other Star Trek series, and TV and movies in general, tend to make out like it was a jolly adventure and some people get killed but the people who live through it are all fine afterwards. For instance, Picard should be having major self-doubt about his role with the Borg -- he was the instrument of killing thousands of fellow Starfleet officers! That would make emotional cripples of most people. But he was apparently back on duty a couple of days later as if nothing had happened. It makes the whole Borg incident seem like a dream and it's hard to take seriously as a viewer. Ironically, DS9 was the only series where lasting negative effects of the Borg were shown. As well as showing Rom's PTSD, Sisko's doubts about himself as a result of being accessory to murder and obstruction of justice from the Pale Moonlight incidents.

 

[Shatna]

I don't make as big a deal out of resurrecting old threads as other mods, but if it's objectionable to enough members here I recommend starting a fresh thread with a fresh take on some of the discussion threads here. Who's up for it?

Meantime, I've gotten a complaint about the "Anybody who doesn't agree with me is dumb" crack, which I am pretty certain was meant with gentle humor, but as always let's keep the discussion on topic and not on each other.

 

[MacLeod]

Hm. I am not really a fan of the battle scenes, people shooting, things blowing up. And in truth as I rewatch the series I'm less interested in watching the episodes that are heavy on battles than I am scenes with characters interacting. However, there are lots and lots of great episodes and scenes in seasons 4-7 that were not battle scenes, and even a good many episodes that had nothing to do with the war at all.

And having decided to tell a war story, at least they tell a war story with believable negative effects on the heroes. The other Star Trek series, and TV and movies in general, tend to make out like it was a jolly adventure and some people get killed but the people who live through it are all fine afterwards. For instance, Picard should be having major self-doubt about his role with the Borg -- he was the instrument of killing thousands of fellow Starfleet officers! That would make emotional cripples of most people. But he was apparently back on duty a couple of days later as if nothing had happened. It makes the whole Borg incident seem like a dream and it's hard to take seriously as a viewer. Ironically, DS9 was the only series where lasting negative effects of the Borg were shown. As well as showing Rom's PTSD, Sisko's doubts about himself as a result of being accessory to murder and obstruction of justice from the Pale Moonlight incidents.

I think you might mean Nog and not Rom. But how much screentime was actually devoted to battles? Perhaps a bit more than the average episode but I don't think on average it showcases battles more than say the average episode. The only real difference is that we are seeing fleet battles.

 

[kkt]

I think you might mean Nog and not Rom. But how much screentime was actually devoted to battles? Perhaps a bit more than the average episode but I don't think on average it showcases battles more than say the average episode. The only real difference is that we are seeing fleet battles.

Yes, Nog. Thanks.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I have less issue with not liking the war arc and more issue with the way you expressed this by trying to negatively characterize everybody else's motives for liking it and making demonstrably false claims about the episodes in the war arc, like that the show completely abandoned cleverness in lieu of a lot of shooting.

First you say things like "Oh they caved in to the idiots' demands to bring in Defiant and the Borg" then you say "Hey it's just my opinion and you shouldn't criticize me for it". Seems to be a bit of an incongruity there between your respect for other people's opinion and the disrespect for yours you're projecting onto them.

You don't like the war arc, well that's like...your opinion, man! But you're stating your opinion while at the same time trying to discredit other people's motives for disagreeing with you.

 

[MacLeod]

My memory might be faulty but didn't the Borg only appear once in DSN, in the first few minutes of the pilot?

 

[Vger23]

I'm sure this has been discussed to death in this long, ponderous thread, but I do want to say that I find DS9 to be the very best of the Star Trek spin-off series. It was the first to attempt something new in terms of format and formula, and actually stick to it. TNG was just a copy of TOS format. VOY and ENT, despite having very promising premises, ended up being re-treads of TNG (which itself was already a re-tread).

The characters are excellent, the writing is smart and mature and the arcs and character relationships evolve well through the course of the show. They also do a nice job of abandoning the post-TOS "Roddenberry Edicts" of perfect humanity and utopia which were total garbage.

I'm a big DS9 advocate. Best Trek since TOS, easily.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

I think the "oh I don't like the battle scenes they're just for the fanboys I prefer the character episodes" is such an overdone recieved opinion on here, as if people try to compete on how they're a better fan than everyone else by really appreciating the writing and ignoring the fireworks.

Firstly, it's not true, if the space scenes and settings weren't the initial draw to this series we'd all be watching a period drama or a tv soap where the characters interact in largely the same way but with different costumes and on the same planet as us.
Secondly; just as much work goes into the sfx scenes, ship design and space battles by those on the production team as the writers put into their scripts so to decry their work as somehow less worthy in a quest to prove yourselves intellectually superior is very unfair to those hardworking people.

I ask you all now to admit your love of the special effects, not even as a guilty pleasure but as an equal part on your love of the franchise.
No one will think any less of you, promise

 

[CorporalClegg]

One has nothing to do with the other. I love SFX and X-plosions. It's just that the battle scenes in DS9 weren't any good. They basically put every model they had on screen and copied and pasted. And through in some lasers for effect. There's very little art to it. Quantity is certainly no replacement for quality. Look what Meyer did with two models and some grape Kool-Aid.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

With all due respect sir I don't think anyone has been more wrong since mad jack mcwrong took a wrong turn down wrong alley leading him to wrongshire.

Granted at the time they were constrained by a tv schedule and 90s computer rendering but they were very much creating both art and a dynamic fleet battle reflecting the tactics in the dialogue.

The overrated trek 2 battle is basically 1 ship sitting stationary and firing at the other until one of the ships remembers they're in space and utilises 3 dimensions by....raising up slightly.

Oh yeah. ....and they had more than a week to pull this off.
great.

At least the new movies are giving us something a lot more spectacular and dynamic.

 

[Gary Mitchell]

With all due respect sir I don't think anyone has been more wrong since mad jack mcwrong took a wrong turn down wrong alley leading him to wrongshire.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Please feel free to dislike DS9.

Huh? I've never said I disliked Star Trek: Deep Space Nine; the first three seasons were the best shows of the series to me. Glad there's a forum I can express my thoughts on it.

It does seem that what you love about the series is merely a springboard for discussing what you hate about the series.

LOL. Yup, not a good way to make friends. If I've been perceived harsh, then I'll apologize. And I can be dumb - - uh - - sometimes. Truce to the band who loved the War seasons and BLOOD WINE ON ME!!!