Hey, I'm happy to admit guilty pleasures in this anonymous forum, from the Ferengi episodes to Larell in the mudbath, but the space battles aren't one of them. Some of the special effects were spectacular, the recreation of the original Enterprise in Trials and Tribble-ations took my breath away, but the battles are just kind of meh to me.
DS9 = WORST Star Trek Series EVER
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Hey, I'm happy to admit guilty pleasures in this anonymous forum, from the Ferengi episodes to Larell in the mudbath, but the space battles aren't one of them. Some of the special effects were spectacular, the recreation of the original Enterprise in Trials and Tribble-ations took my breath away, but the battles are just kind of meh to me.
I definitely liked the beauty passes of the station, the run abouts, and Defiant and all of the practical effects. I can't say much about bad cgi from the 4th through the 7th season of the show.
So you would also say that VOY had bad CGI from Season One?
Which then begs the question was it bad CGI for a TV show at the time it was filmed?
For me, DS9 is Trek at its very best.
Strong characters (who had proper arcs and growth over the entire run), good actors, thought-prokoving scripts, whilst the optimism for our future shines brighter in the dark setting/feel of the show.
It also has some of the best episodes: In the Pale Moonlight and Duet are definite highlights of the entire franchise for me.
Strong characters (who had proper arcs and growth over the entire run), good actors, thought-prokoving scripts, whilst the optimism for our future shines brighter in the dark setting/feel of the show.
It also has some of the best episodes: In the Pale Moonlight and Duet are definite highlights of the entire franchise for me.
I would never say that because Voyager was a big budget network show like Enterprise.
DS9 was budgeted for syndication and it showed, especially when it started expanding themselves with tons of ships surrounding the station. The 4th through the 7th spread the cgi work too much.
You can't tell the difference between a Network budgeted show from a syndicated one?
I like that you think you can.
Not counting Caretaker*, VOY and DS9 (to the best of my limited knowledge) had comparable budgets.
*The most expensive episode of Trek ever produced.
Yep.
Also, CGI only started being massively used in the last two seasons, and frankly, it stills looks great today.
And, in general, DS9 had more impressive effects than Voyager, at least to me.
Ships exploded in a fiery blaze of glitter just a few too many times, IMO.
ETA: Although you couldn't necessarily make the argument that the two shows' effects looked different in terms of quality, there were clear differences to be seen. Voyager's attention to exotic types of nebulae, spaces and planets seems to reflect the desire to make exploration more interesting. DS9's emphasis on conflict meant that there were more multi-ship scenes, fewer anomalies. Good effects also seemed to be more spread out over each season in Voyager. It seems that ISB blew each season's budget in just a few episodes (consider season 5, dominated by Trials and Tribble-ations and A Call to Arms, consisted of many bottle episodes). The budget also went to different areas. Voyager created new aliens, but DS9 put many more into complicated makeup, many with unique sartorial looks. Arguably, those differences reflect the presentation of a network show vs. syndication, where the former is trying to provide a clear, rich and consistent look, the latter is trying to enhance the strength of its spectacles.
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I would have said DSN was about having a rich and consistent look, whilst VOY was all about spectacle..
Can't the same be said of VOY with episode like Scorpian?
I'm not saying that Braga didn't put a little more umph into the Voyager finales, but the show was more about looking out the window: seeing the exotic planet or nebula. It didn't require them to make, track and blow up hundreds of models.
Exactly VOY was all about the show, the fancy nebula or exotic planet (i.e. cool FX). Sure VOY had it's moments where it shone.
But once you've made a model (and if you read the DSN blu-ray thread, it seems as if some of them were over made) you don't need to make it again. Then whilst not quite as simple as plug and play you render the scene.
Whilst VOY had to create new models for the alien of the week ships.
Until you stuff it full of glitter and firecrackers.
The bigger drain on the budget was not the models themselves, but the arduous tracking shots required to put many of them in motion at once. If I am not mistaken, many of the model were, in fact, off the shelf kits, not created newly for the show.
I've NEVER heard that before, but I'm glad so many of you haven't read the TOPIC of this thread.
"The Way of the Warrior" used Ertl model kits, but only for the ships they blew up. You wouldn't blow up a studio model.
But weren't many of the Dominion war battles done in CGI?
Sure as has already been mentioned in "Way of the Warrior" the blew up some Ertl model kits.
Yes, they did, and it looked like crap. It was a big plate the SFX team couldn't handle. There was an episode where the Defiant was destroyed, and then another episode where another Defiant class ship was christened as the Defiant - A. THEN, there was another mindless battle episode where the old Defiant was guns blazing all over the screen when it was established it was destroyed and had a new registry identification.
Horrible. Completely horrible.
Eloquence. Look it up.
