DS9 on blu ray?

[80ninjas]

I'm really shocked that people still think we're not going to get DS9 in HD at some point. We may never get a complete remastering like TOS and TNG got, but some form of HD will likely happen eventually. This franchise is too big for CBS to simply stop getting new SKU's on store shelves and/or have new releases available for being licensed by streaming sites/TV networks.

Fact of the matter is, CBS isn't getting more Trek material anytime soon (if ever). This is probably one of, if not the, biggest franchises they own. Do people really think they're not going to keep milking it?

I recently started watching Farscape on BD and I can see DS9 getting the same type of treatment: HD live action shots with upscales CGI. It obviously doesn't look as good as a full remaster, but I'd much rather watch Farscape on BD than on my old DVDs. Considering something like that would be signficantly cheaper than a full restoration, it likely will happen. It's really just a matter of when.

 

[ATimson]

I'm really shocked that people still think we're not going to get DS9 in HD at some point. We may never get a complete remastering like TOS and TNG got, but some form of HD will likely happen eventually.

If they're not going back to the film, then it's not actually in HD.

I recently started watching Farscape on BD and I can see DS9 getting the same type of treatment: HD live action shots with upscales CGI.

Farscape was a 100% upscale (though from the PAL masters so it had a slightly higher starting resolution).

 

[benjaminh]

If they're not going back to the film, then it's not actually in HD.

+1

 

[Mage]

Thougt this was interesting.....


http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu-ray-is-still-better-than-streaming-today/

 

[Robert Comsol]

Yes, the author made a couple of very good points. But he is "just" another home theater aficionado like myself and thus a minority in the overall big picture, unfortunately.

Bob

 

[Mage]

Yes, the author made a couple of very good points. But he is "just" another home theater aficionado like myself and thus a minority in the overall big picture, unfortunately.

Bob

Oh yes, no doubt. Personally, not a big streamer fan, although I want to give netflix a shot soon, since my tv can handle it. But streaming on my laptop? No. I want a nice comfy sofa, and a big screen to enjoy.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Yes, the author made a couple of very good points. But he is "just" another home theater aficionado like myself and thus a minority in the overall big picture, unfortunately.

Bob

I'm just pleased I'm not the only only Home Cinema obsessive out there! My wife just doesn't get it - she'd be happy watching movies on a 30 year old 18" CRT from VHS.

Whenever I walk in the house with yet another box I can almost see the smilie appearing over her head. I know the look so well.

My mother-in-law swears blind she can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-ray - even in my cinema room. I'm pretty certain she's being serious as well.

You're so right about the minority!

 

[dub]

Personally, not a big streamer fan, although I want to give netflix a shot soon, since my tv can handle it. But streaming on my laptop? No. I want a nice comfy sofa, and a big screen to enjoy.

Me too, most of the time. But don't knock the convenience of laptop or iPad streaming 'till you try it. There have been times in hotel rooms when streaming on the TV wasn't possible, so I watched a couple of Trek episodes (headphones on if I had a roommate for a work trip) on a laptop/iPad before going to sleep.

But at home, now the Roku remote has a headphone jack so I can stream through the TV without disturbing my wife as she sleeps...until she rolls over and says "it's soooo bright!" And then...I go into the menu settings and turn down the brightness a bit and keep watching! . LOL! Don't hate! I know someone out there in trekbbs-land has done the same thing!

 

[jimbotron]

Yes, the author made a couple of very good points. But he is "just" another home theater aficionado like myself and thus a minority in the overall big picture, unfortunately.

Bob

Aficionado? Didn't you say you turn on that frame interpolation/soap opera mode setting?

 

[Robert Comsol]

I have a front projection system, a 1.78 and a 2.35:1 screen and a 7.1 surround sound system and prefer to watch my films and programs there, so I think it's fair to call myself a home theatre aficionado.

But yes, I prefer natural motion / frame interpolation because it adds a level of realism I consider to be more important than 3D. I don't like the 24fps or 60 Hz judder because I find it distracting.

Bob

 

[jimbotron]

Do you get really deep blacks with that? If I could, I'd have a CIH setup.

 

[dub]

I prefer natural motion / frame interpolation because it adds a level of realism I consider to be more important than 3D. I don't like the 24fps or 60 Hz judder because I find it distracting.

It's the opposite for me. I find the smoothing effect incredibly distracting after seeing these films for years at 24fps. The other way makes me feel like I'm watching behind the scenes footage instead of a movie. No thanks. I'm just glad I found out my TV can reduce or eliminate that. The thing that's really odd to me is some people can't tell the diference! Blows my mind.

 

[ATimson]

Do you get really deep blacks with that? If I could, I'd have a CIH setup.

If you're projecting from film, that makes sense. But when your source material is CIW, won't you just get artifacts from stretching/shrinking non-native content?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I prefer natural motion / frame interpolation because it adds a level of realism I consider to be more important than 3D. I don't like the 24fps or 60 Hz judder because I find it distracting.

It's the opposite for me. I find the smoothing effect incredibly distracting after seeing these films for years at 24fps. The other way makes me feel like I'm watching behind the scenes footage instead of a movie. No thanks. I'm just glad I found out my TV can reduce or eliminate that. The thing that's really odd to me is some people can't tell the diference! Blows my mind.

I can never understand why this feature was added to TVs. Its that soap opera motion thing. I'm thankful when I did buy a TV it was one that did not feature the option. In fact, I heard some of the Sony TVs have it set on standard where you cannot even turn it off manually! What a nightmare that would have been for me.

 

[DonIago]

Heh. When I got my 50" plasma the first thing I queued up was the Rohirrim arrival at the battle of the Pelennor Fields. I was horrified to find motion smoothing in full force and took swift action.

 

[jimbotron]

I guess it's an acquired taste.

While I hated the judder caused by displaying 24fps content on 60Hz TVs, I love the natural judder of film when played on a 120Hz+ TV. Film is 24fps, and any film that's at a different rate (either naturally or artificially) looks wrong to me.

 

[Borjis]

I think I'm correct in saying none of the streaming/download services offer DTS HD Master Audio, Dolby Digital True HD etc.

ya that's one of the problems. I was reading recently that either Amazon or Netflix were planning on adopting Dolby Digital Plus fairly soon (one of the audio formats for HD-DVD) but as you said, it ain't lossless.

 

[Robert Comsol]

I find the smoothing effect incredibly distracting after seeing these films for years at 24fps.

THIS! (bold emphasis mine) I vaguely remember that the Europeans had to convince the Japanese flat screen manufacturers to implement features that would reduce telecine judder.

At first the Japanese engineers were surprised (at least those from Pioneer). Why? Because both in the US and Japan (60 Hz) audiences had gotten used from childhood on to telecine judder, which the (50 Hz) Europeans considered an artifact because they never experienced it on their displays.

So just because you got used to it and therefore didn't consider it disturbing, never meant this was a good thing to start with.

In a comparable way most of us have gotten used accepting the blur in motion picture images when horizontal or vertical camera pans are involved (and with these handheld cameras it has just gotten worse). But in real life the motion blur doesn't happen like that once we use our eyes to look from left to right or right to left.

Interestingly, I have noticed that once 3D is involved the frame interpolation smoothing effect usually isn't such a big issue any more. I think in these moments our subconsciousness regains control, telling us that the debased "soap opera effect" isn't such a bad thing after all, but instead adds to a more realistic movement presentation.

Personally, it immerses me much better into the screen experience and I had a great time rewatching many of my favorite films and discovering interesting details and faces that had been previously obfuscated by motion blur. YMMV.

Bob

 

[dub]

...just because you got used to it and therefore didn't consider it disturbing, never meant this was a good thing to start with.

...unless you like it, then it's a great thing!

In a comparable way most of us have gotten used accepting the blur in motion picture images when horizontal or vertical camera pans are involved (and with these handheld cameras it has just gotten worse). But in real life the motion blur doesn't happen like that once we use our eyes to look from left to right or right to left.

Count me guilty for loving motion blur as well and hating when TVs remove it for you!

Interestingly, I have noticed that once 3D is involved the frame interpolation smoothing effect usually isn't such a big issue any more.

I'm not a fan of 3D (I find that distracting too. LOL)!

Personally, it immerses me much better into the screen experience and I had a great time rewatching many of my favorite films and discovering interesting details and faces that had been previously obfuscated by motion blur. YMMV.

I understand. My mom basically says the same thing. "It looks so clear! I feel like I'm there!" Okay mom. But I love the "film look." Give me motion blur and 24fps and you can have your smoothing effect. Just don't expect me to watch Avatar on your TV without blowing chunks! LOL!

 

[ATimson]

...just because you got used to it and therefore didn't consider it disturbing, never meant this was a good thing to start with.

...unless you like it, then it's a great thing!

The (lack of) smoothness of film being shown at it's correct frame rate is indeed a good thing.

But the judder from 3:2 pulldown? No. If you like that, you're just wrong.