DS9 on blu ray?
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Any re-mastering of DSN and/or VOY for HD would mean the bean counters might have to expect that any ROI investment might take say 10 years. Unfortunatly bean counters don't always take the long view. Or are we saying that say a re-mastering of DSN would never make a profit even if takes 10/15/20 years?
It would eventually make its money back. The question being, what other things can you do with the money that would bring a higher rate of return in the same or lesser amount of time?
Probably zero. But nobody binge watches every series in the Netflix library, and that wasn't really my point. It's about options and being able to promote exclusive availability. And, yes, the series are already available, and some would argue (and have already argued) that the upgrade to HD wouldn't be necessary. But just being able to say "watch all episodes of Trek in HD" is a lot sexier than saying "watch all episodes of Trek." And while it might not make sense to invest in a full blown TNG-style HD remaster for the DS9/VOY, it might make sense, just for the sake of upping the ante, to do some kind of quick and cheap studio upres to HD just to be able to say "every episode of Trek is available in HD exclusively on CBS All Access." Might be pie in the sky along with everything else, but I personally wouldn't discount it.
Probably not, as proven by the sales of the TNG Blu-ray, but if DS9 and Voyager aren't done in HD now before the original film stock either degrades or is lost/destroyed, the two series will be lost forever. In a few years time when 4K televisions are the norm, and maybe even on the cusp of being superceded by the next big thing, no one is going to want to watch SD DVDs of DS9 and Voyager. They look shit enough now upscaled in 1080p.
If CBS are happy for DS9 and Voyager to be lost, then so be it. It's just something we'll have to live with because there's sweet FA we can do about it.
More than enough copies exist that it won't be lost. They keep the original film elements in salt mines and they can last for centuries.
I was really referring to lost as being unviewable on the screen technology of the day in any kind of watchable quality. Keeping the film elements is all find and dandy, but we can't watch those. And if CBS make the decision not to do anything with them, some numpty in a suit is bound to eventually make the decision to throw them out. From the persepective of CBS, there'll be no point in keeping them.
And film stock doesn't last for centuries. It will discolour badly well before 100 years.
No one is going to throw them out. No one has thrown out the Wizard of Oz yet. Plus, these shows have been copied millions of times in digital space, they aren't going anywhere. Plus, these are the film elements hidden away. CBS has video masters of these episodes that they can scan and convert to any new format.
I wouldn't mind seeing DS9 and Voyager brought to HD, but some of these "theories" on why CBS has to do it are just mind numbing.
Who is saying CBS must do anything? I don't think CBS has to do anything. I just don't think it's totally implausible that they'll consider some sort of improved version for their streaming channel relaunch/promotion.
With respect dub (and tomswift2002 if you're still around), BillJ and Squiggy co-opted and killed this thread long ago. I and others (including some with industry experience such as myself) abandoned it because, no matter how well-founded and based (however speculative) your post, one of these guys will shoot it down in sentence or two, boiling down to 1. CBS is a business that wants to make money, and 2. There's no demand for DS9 in HD -- always conflating the markets for HD content (including broadcast and streaming) and Blu-ray in the process. #1 is certainly true enough, but it's a trite, B-school 101 response when analyzing the nuances of the market in the 21st century. As to #2, I'm reminded of the quote, "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." IMHO the argument that if anything is ever going to happen in Hollywood they'll tell us about it is not particularly compelling.
Whatever the case, how about a fresh new thread: "DS9 and VOY in HD"? This would allow discussion of non-physical, emerging distribution channels and how and why the remaining legacy Trek programs (mainly DS9 and VOY) could become a part of the overall plan The discussion (such as it is) of DS9 on Blu-ray can remain here.
I suppose I just simply don't see the harm in speculating on a subforum of a fan BBS site. 
In fact, I would expect it. But if someone wants to start a new thread and close this one, that's fine. Speaking for myself, if I find a particular subject totally far-fetched and I find comments in the thread mind-numbing, at some point I would tend to...I don't know...just not read that thread.
In fact, I would expect it. But if someone wants to start a new thread and close this one, that's fine. Speaking for myself, if I find a particular subject totally far-fetched and I find comments in the thread mind-numbing, at some point I would tend to...I don't know...just not read that thread.
With 2,500 posts, I'd say no one has co-opted or killed this thread.
You're more than welcome to your opinion and we're more than happy to offer ours.
The thread keeps going, but with no new information, it can only really go around in circles. We know DS9 and Voyager in HD are possible, but expensive, and at the moment not on the radar. That might change if the new series is a big hit, we'll see. Frankly I'm still stunned TNG looks as good as it does, I never thought they'd actually go to the effort of remastering it from the ground up. We'll always have that. If the other series get the same treatment eventually, I'll be delighted. On the other hand, DS9 is still freely available, and looks as good as it ever did - though not as good as it ever could.
Yeah, I kind of don't see the point of this thread, and I am shocked that it is 125 pages deep, with much of it with the same types of remarks on both sides of the arguement stated over, and over, and over again. I wish this thread would be locked, at least until there were some actual concrete news one way or the other.
Personally, while I would love to see DS9 on bluray, and I would likely purchase it AFTER prices came down just as I have with TNG, I have it on DVD and that is good enough. Bluray looks great, but as long as you watch DS9, or any good series for that matter for the story and the acting, the fact it is HD or not is pretty moot. DVD, is still pretty decent, guys. Talk about First World Problems....
Personally, while I would love to see DS9 on bluray, and I would likely purchase it AFTER prices came down just as I have with TNG, I have it on DVD and that is good enough. Bluray looks great, but as long as you watch DS9, or any good series for that matter for the story and the acting, the fact it is HD or not is pretty moot. DVD, is still pretty decent, guys. Talk about First World Problems....
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