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DS9 on blu ray?

I make no assertion of TNG BR past or future..or prospect of DS9 BR. But right now...theyre selling very strong indeed. Its not a generic rank of popularity. Sales rank means sales.

Without statistics to back it up, I'll take the "selling very strong" with a grain of salt. No offense.

But even if they are, their going for about a third of the MSRP set by CBS. I'm not sure that is the reaction CBS was hoping for when they green-lighted the project.
 
TNG blue ray season one has amazon sales rank of 8000

TNG blue ray 1-7 box set has amazon sales rank of 13,100

That is a really high sales rank for movies - the 8,000 is in the top 1%!
I don't know what they've sold so far, but it being holiday season, right this moment TNG blue ray is blowing up.

I'll bet it's highly ranked at Zavvi. They've sold out and I've been waiting for two weeks for them to complete my order.

Mind you, the complete 7 seasons for £75 ($113) is pretty good...
 
TNG blue ray season one has amazon sales rank of 8000

TNG blue ray 1-7 box set has amazon sales rank of 13,100

That is a really high sales rank for movies - the 8,000 is in the top 1%!
I don't know what they've sold so far, but it being holiday season, right this moment TNG blue ray is blowing up.

I'll bet it's highly ranked at Zavvi. They've sold out and I've been waiting for two weeks for them to complete my order.

Mind you, the complete 7 seasons for £75 ($113) is pretty good...

Which is less than a single seasons MSRP ($129.95).
 
So what did they do for the enterprise blu ray?

Did they still have the files for them that it was more easy to do?

Enterprise was mastered in HD anyway, so the BD release was straightforward.

A lot of exterior effects shots were obviously originally rendered at lower resolution for broadcast and later up-converted, though. They look pretty mediocre.

Or, they could spend nothing and stream them in SD like they are with all their other SD shows.

And on a contemporary HD TV, it would look like muddy, stairstep-edged crud, just like DS9 and VOY.

Kor
 
Someone around here had posted opening week TNG sales totals, overall, and it simply wasn't moving that many units.

Where? And from what source? And relative to what (i.e. other television series, single-disc movies, etc.)?

Without statistics to back it up, I'll take the "selling very strong" with a grain of salt. No offense.

Likewise, without statistics to back it up, shouldn't we take speculation that TNG-R "bombed" or "backfired" with the same gain of salt?

Which is less than a single seasons MSRP ($129.95).

MSRP is arbitrarily set by the manufacturer. It has no bearing on manufacturer profitability.

But even if they are, their going for about a third of the MSRP set by CBS. I'm not sure that is the reaction CBS was hoping for when they green-lighted the project.

Absent some contractual agreement (Minimum Advertised Price, etc.), manufacturers don't care what the retailer charges for the product. I'm oversimplifying a bit, but a retailer can post whatever price it wants on the products it sells. Car dealerships are the best example of this of course; they always post MSRP on the window sticker (and on rarer models post ADM -- Additional Dealer Markup) and leave it to the customer to negotiate the price below that if they choose. A more relevant example were the original season DVD releases of TNG; whenever I'd go to the Star Trek Experience in Vegas they'd have the same sets in the gift shop priced at MSRP collecting dust. Almost certainly nobody short of the fleeting high-roller Trekkie flush with gambling winnings bought them. That's probably the only place I've seen those sets priced at MSRP.

Of course big-box and online retailers charge much, much less, simply forgoing the profit margin MSRP might allow. Home entertainment products -- particularly new releases -- are often loss-leaders; the retailer makes very little if any money but the customer is in the store to -- hopefully -- buy higher-margin items.

CBS knows exactly what various retailers are going to charge for their products; they were not caught off-guard in the slightest by the street pricing for TNG-R on BD.

This is all pretty common knowledge; these days MSRP is typically most useful to online commenters who -- for whatever reason -- want to justify their reasons for not purchasing something or to point out "corporate greed". "Let's stick it to CBS! Who's with me?" Most will simply purchase at a price they find fair and enjoy, wait until the price drops, go to the secondary market, or simply say "No thanks." Whatever the case, CBS couldn't care less; again I'm oversimplifying somewhat but the vast majority of those unsold units are firmly in the warehouses of distributors and retailers -- not CBS.
 
Without numbers to back them up it's a generic rank of popularity - and "8,000th" isn't enough to get CBS-D to take another leap.

Not to be overly pedantic, but CBS Digital (aka CBS-D) is a post-production and VFX house owned by CBS Corp. They were simply hired to produce TOS-R and TNG-R, among other projects; they would have no say in greenlighting future projects other than bidding alongside other facilities. As we saw with Seasons 2 and 4 of TNG-R, other houses are capable (with varying degrees of competence) of doing the work.
 
Yeah. Maybe 8,001 has sold 3 units and 8,000 has sold 4.

Without numbers to back them up it's a generic rank of popularity - and "8,000th" isn't enough to get CBS-D to take another leap.

I make no assertion of TNG BR past or future..or prospect of DS9 BR. But right now...theyre selling very strong indeed. Its not a generic rank of popularity. Sales rank means sales.

No. Sales figures mean sales. Sales rank means "compared to these other shows which we also don't know anything about, this is where we stand."

So what did they do for the enterprise blu ray?

Did they still have the files for them that it was more easy to do?

Enterprise was mastered in HD anyway, so the BD release was straightforward.

A lot of exterior effects shots were obviously originally rendered at lower resolution for broadcast and later up-converted, though. They look pretty mediocre.

Or, they could spend nothing and stream them in SD like they are with all their other SD shows.

And on a contemporary HD TV, it would look like muddy, stairstep-edged crud, just like DS9 and VOY.

Kor

Not really. DS9 and Voyager are certainly watchable on Netflixed on my 60 inch LCD.

But if the HD version is going to cost you millions to produce and it won't make you any money in the end, what's the point?
 
But if the HD version is going to cost you millions to produce and it won't make you any money in the end, what's the point?

Which is what this all comes back to. Why disband the people that set up and perfected a process if your intent is to do more work?
 
My four year old son asked me what was meant by a circular argument this evening. I directed him here. Thanks for the education!
 
Or, they could spend nothing and stream them in SD like they are with all their other SD shows.

And on a contemporary HD TV, it would look like muddy, stairstep-edged crud, just like DS9 and VOY.

Kor

Not really. DS9 and Voyager are certainly watchable on Netflixed on my 60 inch LCD.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I can't stand the way DS9 and VOY look on a new TV.

Other standard-definition older shows (at least the ones originally mastered on film) don't have as much jagged aliasing as DS9 and VOY. It almost gives me a headache.

Kor
 
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