Depends if one considers six months after release "quick".
DS9 on blu ray?
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Depends if one considers six months after release "quick".
Enterprise was mastered in HD anyway, so the BD release was straightforward.
For a 25 year old series that has been published on dvd many times before 6 months waiting is a very short period. I did not buy the BD immediately at release, I waited 6-12 months to get the much cheaper Italian version. Why to urge for an old series when you can save 70% on the release price? I guess for many others it was similar for the streaming service: Buy the first season BD and then wait for the much cheaper streaming availability. I find it complete nonsense to propose (timely) almost parallel BDs and streaming and then declare a disappointing turnover only by taking the numbers of BD sales (without including streaming).
They could, but it'll mark it as an old show in the minds of the audiences. Existing audiences would probably continue to watch, but new ones will be less likely to pick it up. Especially in SFX heavy shows like the Star Treks.
Then why are the effects shots upscaled?
I do wonder about the conviction and certainty with which people proclaim these kind of things, when I don't remember any kind of official comment from CBS about TNG-R's performance. Even Robert Meyer Burnett surely never tweeted anything about TNG-R "bombing" or "backfiring". So where does all of this come from? I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, but what makes you think you are right?
Then why are the effects shots upscaled?
Appereantly, the filming was done in HD, but the CGI in SD, or atleast at first. So those were upscaled. And that's what would happen with DS9 aswell when it's a simple 'upscale' like that.
Then why are the effects shots upscaled?
I believe originally, the SFX were rendered in SD to save time, with the thought they would go back an re-render the same stuff later in 1080p when required.
I guess by the time they had gone to proper HD across the board in season 4, the show was on its way to being cancelled, so the opportunity to re-render was never taken.
Presumably, a lot of the CGI source files still exist, but for the Blu Ray release we got the rather disappointing upscales instead of anything being re-done.
1000 times this.
Lance, Frontier -- seriously; I know we're not talking about matters of life or death here, but every time a discussion comes up about what a future DS9-R project could look like or the circumstances under which it very well could happen, you shut it down with "It's gonna cost $20 million and TNG-R was a flop and CBS is a business and it's never gonna happen and deal with it." This is the kind of thing that gets Marc Cushman (rightly) slagged off for in his TATV books. Not that it's perfectly germane to a DS9-R project, but with respect could you please provide some objective sources for your information on the costs and performance of the TNG-R project (the BD portion of it will do)?
As to the performance of TNG-R on BD, based on professional experience I can 100% promise you that CBS would never, ever gamble millions of dollars (and I personally think that $20 million figure is high) deficit financing a project like TNG-R on the backs of fans who will pay hundreds of dollars for action figures and model kits on the secondary market but won't pay a buck or two for an episode of a new series. Not in 2011 and not now. To do so would get any CBS exec laughed out of the room. And make no mistake, TNG-R on BD was geared primarily to the Trek fan base due to the very good but comparatively low-budget VAM. This is why BD was always an important but quite short-term portion of the TNG-R project. Various participants in the BD project (Burnett, the Okudas, et al) may subjectively deem it a "failure", but CBS have not lost money on TNG-R -- not by a long shot.
I can only attribute much of what I read around here to fan self-importance, specifically this: "We (the fans) told CBS what we wanted from TNG-R, CBS delivered but had the unmitigated gall to charge $50-60 per season (strictly speaking CBS could mostly only control the admittedly inflated MSRP, not the street price but you get the idea), we told 'em to pound sand and showed them!" Of course that's still $2-2.50 per episode not counting the VAM; how reasonable that is is up to the individual customer, but it almost certainly reflected the cost of the project and CBS' sales expectations for the BDs.
These guys aren't dummies. CBS know Trek fans talk out of both sides of their mouths. "You build it and we will come" isn't going to happen; it hasn't happened for decades. The current situation is the very embodiment of "This is why we can't have nice things." Everyone should spend their hard-earned money how they see fit of course, but they shouldn't think they're going to influence the future of Trek by spending it all on cosplay and turning up their noses at a new subscription-based streaming series. The fans don't matter, we don't matter, the mass market does, and the mass market's all about streaming right now, not BD. It also means more lowest-common-denominator action / adventure-oriented content at the expense of thought-provoking sci-fi, but that's a whole different story.
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I'm a fan and I think I'm representative of one group in that my attitude is "you build it and I'll catch it maybe on the streaming services I already pay for".
TNG blue ray season one has amazon sales rank of 8000
TNG blue ray 1-7 box set has amazon sales rank of 13,100
That is a really high sales rank for movies - the 8,000 is in the top 1%!
I don't know what they've sold so far, but it being holiday season, right this moment TNG blue ray is blowing up.
TNG blue ray 1-7 box set has amazon sales rank of 13,100
That is a really high sales rank for movies - the 8,000 is in the top 1%!
I don't know what they've sold so far, but it being holiday season, right this moment TNG blue ray is blowing up.
Maybe so but sales rank that high means theyre selling like hotcakes
It is the 8,000 ranked (roughly) in just Movies/TV. Without knowing exactly how many Blu-ray's they are actually moving, it really means nothing.
Someone around here had posted opening week TNG sales totals, overall, and it simply wasn't moving that many units.
I make no assertion of TNG BR past or future..or prospect of DS9 BR. But right now...theyre selling very strong indeed. Its not a generic rank of popularity. Sales rank means sales.
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