Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?

[DaveyNY]

Ummm..
Spock specifically defied his father and joined Star Fleet.
If that doesn't truly display how his human emotions ruled his life early on, then I don't know what else to say.

I believe that Spock began to learn how to more easily control his emotions while serving with Captain Pike and Number One on the Enterprise.
They became his second family, especially Number one as seen in "Q & A".
They gave him the stability and understanding he needed, which he never really found at home or at the Academy.

 

[fireproof78]

I can respect that POV.. I can.
I just draw the line at Spock Laughing without something being wrong with him. I mean, it physically hurt him to laugh. If it wasn't some alien influence or chemical agent. He would writhe in pain being forced to feel emotions. Peck is just not coming off as Spock to me. I just don't feel it. Vorik was only illogical to me when he was in the throws of Pon Far. other then that, I think he was pretty consistent.

Except for when he shows his emotions at the fact that Captain Kirk was in fact still alive, as one example off the top of my head. Nimoy also explicated that he played Spock as someone who had intense emotions and worked to control them, not devoid of emotion.

And Vulcans are not perfectly logical all the time. Tuvok had to go to a school relearn some aspects of being more logical. It's not a perfect system and takes time to develop. And, I think that Peck is playing Spock as someone still developing. Which, in my opinion, is the more interesting way to play him, instead of exactly the same as Nimoy Spock. To me, that's unrelastic, to have a character be fairly static for 10 years.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So ends, the Trek sermon for the day.
AMEN

i do believe the correct term is 'All power to the engines' as evidenced by this futurama clip

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[Rainard Fox]

Except for when he shows his emotions at the fact that Captain Kirk was in fact still alive, as one example off the top of my head. Nimoy also explicated that he played Spock as someone who had intense emotions and worked to control them, not devoid of emotion.

And Vulcans are not perfectly logical all the time. Tuvok had to go to a school relearn some aspects of being more logical. It's not a perfect system and takes time to develop. And, I think that Peck is playing Spock as someone still developing. Which, in my opinion, is the more interesting way to play him, instead of exactly the same as Nimoy Spock. To me, that's unrelastic, to have a character be fairly static for 10 years.

AFAIK Vulcans have to control their emotions so firmly because they actually have emotions, even too strong. Vulcans are very aggressive by their nature, and developed a logical control to become less dangerous for themselves, aren't they?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

And, I think that Peck is playing Spock as someone still developing. Which, in my opinion, is the more interesting way to play him, instead of exactly the same as Nimoy Spock. To me, that's unrelastic, to have a character be fairly static for 10 years.

To me, Q&A is an innocuous episode, enough to string us along until they can put together a series or movie or whatever. Like I wrote upthread, Spock smiled in Amok Time. It should be no surprise that he is capable of showing momentary joy.

The funny thing is that no one is talking about how strident and militaristic Spock is. Twice he is asked to loosen up, but can't seem to accomplish it. This is different from the dispassionate and formal Vulcans we normally get, and different from how Spock is generally played. It is potentially an interesting story how his comportment changes from one of outward discipline to inner control.

 

[Tuskin38]

God I wish I had the self control and patience you people have to respond to him.

 

[starsuperion]

Wow... unreal..

 

[Lord Garth]

So, you were on board for a Pike show throughout his depiction in S2, but because a completely different person who had nothing to do with that wrote a fifteen minute short mostly centered on Spock and Number One where Pike featured in about thirty seconds of it, a potential Pike series which is probably not going to happen anyway is now a total dealbreaker for you? Does that about sum it up? Solid reasoning.

They like the idea of a Pike Series but in their excitement they forgot it would be made the same people who are putting together Discovery and Picard. "Q&A" was their splash of cold water. So now they've snapped out of the fervor. We all knew they wouldn't like a Pike Series if it actually came to pass. @seigezunt and I had an exchange about it waaaaay up thread.

 

[starsuperion]

I don't understand the controversy about the Picard series. I mean, it hasn't even aired yet. I get the production staff behind STD, and fans that don't like the direction and feel, while some do.
But I'm open to seeing how it plays out. If its nothing but a Woke PSA with Patrick in it, then yea.. I won't like it.
But if its actually good. I'd be open to the Pike series. It just depends.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't understand the controversy about the Picard series. I mean, it hasn't even aired yet. I get the production staff behind STD, and fans that don't like the direction and feel, while some do.
But I'm open to seeing how it plays out. If its nothing but a Woke PSA with Patrick in it, then yea.. I won't like it.
But if its actually good. I'd be open to the Pike series. It just depends.

I guess it all depends on whether or not people don't like the overall direction of Kurtzman Trek or if they just don't like Discovery. Which is harder to discern when Discovery is the only version from this current era out there as of yet.

But "Q&A" is our first glimpse into what Pike would be like.

 

[DaveyNY]

I can respect that POV.. I can.
I just draw the line at Spock Laughing without something being wrong with him. I mean, it physically hurt him to laugh. If it wasn't some alien influence or chemical agent. He would writhe in pain being forced to feel emotions. Peck is just not coming off as Spock to me. I just don't feel it. Vorik was only illogical to me when he was in the throws of Pon Far. other then that, I think he was pretty consistent.

Pffft! He's emotional and not as reserved because of his Youth eh?
Vorik was about Spock's age and he was much more reserved and felt more vulcan, then Peck-Spock.

The Core tenant of their culture is Logic. Not to show or feel emotion. This is intrinsic to the species as a whole. Early Spock did not necessarily need to be portrayed that way, which is at odds with the whole concept of their revered traditions and teachings on logical lifestyle and mental conditioning. Given the species abilities in telepathy and other mental abilities, it makes sense there would be a strong aversion to laughing.. a smirk.. maybe. but sheesh. even in the cage, Spock did not laugh like that short trek. unreal.

All your descriptions completely ignore the fact that Spock was HALF HUMAN.

It didn't hurt him physically to show emotion, like it possibly might a full blooded Vulcan.
(though I'm not sure that's completely true either, based on how we have seen Sarek act occasionally around Amanda)

It hurt Spock Emotionally, which in his mind was tantamount to completely denying his Vulcan half.
That's why it's such a life-changing revelation to him after connecting to V'GER.

At some point, either during his days at the Academy or during his first years onboard the Enterprise (when coming into day after day contact with Humans), he obviously began to reevaluate his internal conflict with his opposing halves and decided that he wanted to be more Vulcan.
It was his disagreement with Sarek drove Spock to embrace his human half more fully.

But after quite awhile, he realized that it was 'Anger' that caused him to make that decision.
Being around Humans all the time and seeing how their actions relied more often on Emotion rather than Logic is what I think drove him to try and totally become a Logical Being.
Thus becoming more Vulcan.

After seeing "Q&A", I'm beginning to wonder if there is a future event involving Number One where she is severely hurt or dies and that is the point where Spock dives headfirst into becoming completely Vulcan.

 

[Rahul]

After Q&A please no.

So, you were on board for a Pike show throughout his depiction in S2, but because a completely different person who had nothing to do with that wrote a fifteen minute short mostly centered on Spock and Number One where Pike featured in about thirty seconds of it, a potential Pike series which is probably not going to happen anyway is now a total dealbreaker for you? Does that about sum it up? Solid reasoning.

I haven't seen Q&A yet (but I will). But I have to admit - what really blew my mind was Pike, specifically the way Anson Mount portrayed him.

Peck as Spock and Romjin as No. 1 honestly never left an impression on me. No. 1 was was fine, but nothing special. And Peck has a great voice - but especially him clean shaven looks almost like a parody of Trek. I'm looking forward to Q&A and hope to be positively surprised. But as of now I honestly don't care about either actor's characterisation.

To be perfectly honest - I think they should have simply kept Anson Mount on DIS. DIS has by far the better ensemble, but Burnham alone is not interesting enough as a lead.

And I honestly really liked the Pike-Burnham dynamic. Burnham's stoicism really worked in contrast with Pike's compassion, and it almost felt like early TNG with the captain (Picard) as the decision guy and Riker (now Burnham) as the action guy on away missions and such. With the caveat that Burnham is more interesting than Riker, and nuPike has almost as much swagger as Kirk.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Yeah, I thought Anson Mount did a fantastic job as Pike.

 

[eschaton]

Mount is basically just an extra in the first two "Discoprise Short Treks"

It seems like next months will give him a bit of a weightier role though. Let's hope it's good.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Drop the Section 31 show for a Captain Lucero show?

 

[Lord Garth]

Drop the Section 31 show for a Captain Lucero show?

Finally. A version of the argument I can get behind.

 

[eschaton]

Drop the Section 31 show for a Captain Lucero show?

You think they'll give her another ship after that?

Though it would be nice if they have her one short per year - where she keeps losing ships in a more and more ridiculous manner.

 

[Noname Given]

They like the idea of a Pike Series but in their excitement they forgot it would be made the same people who are putting together Discovery and Picard. "Q&A" was their splash of cold water. So now they've snapped out of the fervor. We all knew they wouldn't like a Pike Series if it actually came to pass. @seigezunt and I had an exchange about it waaaaay up thread.

Umm, you DO realize that Anson Mount DIDN'T ad lib any lines in his portrayal - he was reading from scripts written by the ST: D staff...If it was THAT bad, why were these people suddenly jonesing for a Pike series in the first place?

 

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I thought Anson Mount did a fantastic job as Pike.

His presence helped to steady the show and make at least the first half of season 2 come across leaps and bounds better than season 1, he was essentially the replacement for Jason Isaacs who was great in season 1 until it all went MU and fell off a cliff.

 

[Jadeb]

I haven’t seen the new short yet, but I thought they did a lot better writing to the traditional Trek template (Pike) than trying to reinvent it.