There is no reason the show as you described. There is so much negativity wrapped around this that it might be wise to take a break. The biases and negativity are just going to spiral this conversation again.
Let's move on, please.
Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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Let's move on, please.
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Its what always happens when someone sees things in black and white.
That and having to get the last word in like its a competition to be won or lost, which it is not.
I only jumped in (rather late) when the bullshit was getting to be too much and derailing the whole thread off a cliff, otherwise I dont normally bother with these kinds of threads due to time constraints.
The MU Georgiou is product of her environment just like the PU Georgiou is a product of her environment, they are the same person raised in differing environments that have somewhat mirror values and expectations.
I am open to the show as I have always thought the S31 plots lines in DS9 were rather good so I am willing to give it a shot but I do think it will rise or fall by the quality of the scripts that have been written for it.
We dont really know what the show is going to be about or what issues it will address, having S31 added into an already running series like DS9 and Discovery is one thing but basing a whole series on it is another matter entirely.
Due to that I do question its chances against a Pike/Enterprise show that would have a lot more going for it, its not an either/or situation and we could get both though so it does not really matter but a Pike/Enterprise show would be a much easier sell than the S31 show will be for obvious reasons.
That's why they should've gotten that shuttle bay door fixed.
I'm not going to lie. Every time I saw Linus, I got hungry. He looks like he should go next to some stir fry.
Hell, I think Looney Tunes was a cartoon filled with cannibals. They could all walk and talk.
Hell, I think Looney Tunes was a cartoon filled with cannibals. They could all walk and talk.
Completely agree.
Let me expand upon this with a general comment. Real world analogies are only going to get us so far. I am highly doubtful that those who post here would support someone like Georgiou in real life to take over the CIA. I have no doubt that the public outcry would be immense, just like if people actually when out and shot as many real people as they do in Call of Duty or Halo or Fortnight.
But, this is a work of fiction. Star Trek has long been touted as being more cerebral and an exploration of the human condition then every aspect of humanity is up for exploration, including the darker more negative aspects.
I completely agree and would prefer Pike over Georgiou all day long. But, I'm not going to pretend it isn't happening, or be convinced that it is an utter disaster when the show hasn't even been shot yet.
Can people grow?I admit, I fail to see any "grey" area in cannibalism and genocide. For me, that's as black and white as it gets.
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Please move on and drop this line of discussion as you were asked to. (And no, this type of discussion will only come up when someone can't separate 'real world situations' - with all their shades of grey and complexity from the fantasy world of 'Star Trek'.)
From cannibalism and genocide? I'm going to answer with a hard no. There's a point where a person has hit the point of no return.
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine.
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine.
Oh, bullshit. I’m sure you’d be quite pleased with Ted Bundy moving in next door after he was “better”.
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Georgiou isnt actually guilty of cannibalism as she never ate human flesh, it only applies if you munch on one of your own species.
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As for Genocide the MU ideals and morals are different to the PU, their answer is to do it to them before they do it to you.
It is very easy for us to judge from the comfort of our armchairs, yet there are those who resorted to cannibalism in the real world simply to stay alive in the most extreme of circumstances, no one should be so quick to judge until they understand what true hunger and desperation really feel like.
I think some on this forum (no one in particular) like to throw around big words like cannibalism and genocide in what I can only describe as an attempt to show how very virtuous they are (that is how it comes across), without even trying to understand the circumstances and situations that lead up to such actions/events taking place, which is how you ensure it doesn't happen again.
No one gets up in the morning and decides they will partake in a little light genocide before lunch followed by a nice human leg for dinner, not even the MU Georgiou, I appreciate that some do not like the idea of a Star Trek show with MU Georgiou as the lead but I think the
has become rather silly at this point.Its not like it will make any difference anyway as it looks like the show is happening.
Honestly, the notion that just disposition of genocidal cannibals is a hindrance to the flourishing of human moral evolution is...well, a rhetorical stretch that serves no worthwhile purpose.
What they're trying to do is wear us down so no one even wants to talk about Georgiou anymore. They know constantly bringing this stuff up is going to get exhausting for most people, so they're going to milk it for all it's worth.
If you push hating Burnham too hard, people start to wonder if you're sexist or racist. But Georgiou? They see it as the gift that keeps on giving.
Thing is, I’d have no issue with a Captain Georgiou show. One about the character who gave her life trying to prevent a war. I do have an issue with a genocidal maniac trying to be passed off as a good guy. More people really should. But I guess as long as there are arrowhead badges no one gives a shit.
It's nice to know this optimistic future has exceptions.
She isn't a good guy.
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