Does the 32nd Century Need the Federation Anymore?

[nic3636]

One thing that would be interesting to explore is if the Federation is still a good fit with the landscape of the 32nd century given how much things have changed. Does the Federation represent a universal set of ideals that are always relevant or is it more a relic of the past that has become obsolete? Or maybe somewhere in the middle, where the Federation is still relevant as a concept but the structure needs to be modified to fit in with the current times?

I think it would be interesting if part of the reason the Federation diminished so much in S3 was because it was desperately clinging to the past and is struggling adapting to the needs of the present. I realize this is not the direction they are going in based on what happened in S3 but I think it would be interesting to explore as the Federation tries to recruit worlds in S4.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think the idea of the Federation might be relevant, but it's feasibility as an actual entity isn't. The Federation, by its nature, depends on FTL travel and communication. With warp at a greater premium and communication with limited range, the Federation can't function like it used to.

The fact that Starfleet and the Federation consolidated so much and has to keep the location of Starfleet Command a secret means they've cocooned. If they've cocooned, they can't be that much of a force in the galaxy.

I think the big power struggle of the 32nd Century isn't whether or not the Federation is relevant but more, "Who will replace the Federation?" The Emerald Chain is one of the powers that wants to replace it.

 

[XCV330]

i think this 32nd century is in dire need of a federation

 

[F. King Daniel]

Strength in numbers is always a good thing.

 

[FederationHistorian]

What are the choices from what’s been seen?

• Be isolationist (United Earth)
• Be independent (Ni’Var, Trill)
• Be exploited by a capitalist power (Hima & Hunhau by the Emerald Chain)

Plus, its alluded to that capitalism is practiced within the Federation.

At the very least, there needs to be a power that is not capitalist. An ideal that seemed to be practiced by the Federation.

 

[Vger23]

We all need a little Federation in our lives

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus, its alluded to that capitalism is practiced within the Federation.

No it wasn't?
There was mention of bartering, but the 24th century Federation also bartered and traded.

Plus the 24th century Federation did have some sort of currency
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/economy.htm

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Plus the 24th century Federation did have some sort of currency

Yep, it's called "credits".

The most recent use of which is, IIRC, DSC's "The Escape-Artist". The bounty hunters looking for Harry Mudd were paid in Federation credits.

 

[XCV330]

Yep, it's called "credits".

The most recent use of which is, IIRC, DSC's "The Escape-Artist". The bounty hunters looking for Harry Mudd were paid in Federation credits.

Those jippers on a beach ain’t cheap

 

[FederationHistorian]

No it wasn't?
There was mention of bartering, but the 24th century Federation also bartered and traded.

Plus the 24th century Federation did have some sort of currency
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/economy.htm

Osyraa did want Vance to acknowledge that capitalism was already happening in the Federation.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well once the Federation is stronger they can stop.

 

[valkyrie013]

Every empire rises and falls, sometimes by outside forces, sometimes by internal corruption, etc. with the federation being that big, a centralized governement would HAVE to be a weak one to survive because ruling from a 1000ly away invites revolution, no representation, corruption, favoring core systems, etc.
So the Federation will rise, then fall, and another system will replace it, then planets will rise and fall. How many old empires have risen and fell? Iconian? Tkon? Preservers? There's a cycle.

after the burn, you will have planets that would want to rejoin, and some that will say .. we're good, don't need you, havent need you for over 100 years.

 

[STEPhon IT]

One thing that would be interesting to explore is if the Federation is still a good fit with the landscape of the 32nd century given how much things have changed. Does the Federation represent a universal set of ideals that are always relevant or is it more a relic of the past that has become obsolete? Or maybe somewhere in the middle, where the Federation is still relevant as a concept but the structure needs to be modified to fit in with the current times?

I think it would be interesting if part of the reason the Federation diminished so much in S3 was because it was desperately clinging to the past and is struggling adapting to the needs of the present. I realize this is not the direction they are going in based on what happened in S3 but I think it would be interesting to explore as the Federation tries to recruit worlds in S4.

I'm struggling to figure out, how does all of this stuff make or form the series I live which is TOS???

 

[XCV330]

I'm struggling to figure out, how does all of this stuff make or form the series I live which is TOS???

Did your struggles lead you to a Discovery topic in the Discovery forum? How does one live a series, BTW?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Did your struggles lead you to a Discovery topic in the Discovery forum? How does one live a series, BTW?

No like you didn't struggle to attack me.

 

[XCV330]

No like you didn't struggle to attack me.

I haven't attacked you. Watching you try to crucify yourself to a non-glowing nacelle is far more rewarding.

 

[The Wormhole]

Osyraa did want Vance to acknowledge that capitalism was already happening in the Federation.

Not exactly. She informed Vance capitalism was going on on a Federation Deep Space station, which Vance claims hadn't had any contact with Starfleet Command in something like eight or ninety years.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Does the 24th century need the Federation anymore?

Spoiler Alert: Not really.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But they're stuck with it anyway.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm struggling to figure out, how does all of this stuff make or form the series I live which is TOS???

I'm struggling to understand your comment. What does S3 of Discovery have to do with TOS?