Remember somebody has to be the ensign. But hey for an answer and he sure did have a lot of perks. I mean at one point he did commanded the ship during a away mission. Now while all the senior bridge officer were on that away mission Torres was still on the ship and she did out rank him. But since he had a billet up chief of operations or operations manager or whatever he was technically the higher officer so in a way it kind of makes up for it. And remember it is the 24th century maybe then they don’t really care about ranks that much
Does Rank have privileges in the future?
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First of all Geordi was a little bit interested being in engineering and did out the engineering department. Also considering the fact that Dr. crusher did a pretty good job during her first time in command of the enterprise during a crisis I say she has one takes to maybe one day be a captain. Although I doubt a medical officer would really transfer over to command
Well, for Enterprise, most of everyone should have been promoted like Geordi was. He was a Lt. j.g. then when he went to the boiler room, he got promoted to Lt. then latter Lt. Cmd. during the 7 years. That should have happened to Kim, (atleast a full Lt. by end of series) and Hoshi and Travis should have made Lt. by year 2, and Reed Lt Cmd. They think of some people ( Geordi, Worf) and not others, yes it might not further the plot, but having them at 1 rank for an entire tour is not right. I mean Kim wanted to be a captain, but 7 years an Ensign? oh boy.. not looking good there..
There are plenty of examples of medical ships that are captained by current or former doctors, one in the Full Circle Fleet, or dr Crusher in the other timeline. there's even a Commander Botanist in the book series thats the captain of the botany ship ( though a weird one where the 1st officer is in charge of day to day ship stuff, while the captain does botany stuff)
I'm pretty sure Troi won't get her own ship, but if she decides one day, hmm, i like command, let me put myself on a command track and see what happens..
I'm pretty sure Troi won't get her own ship, but if she decides one day, hmm, i like command, let me put myself on a command track and see what happens..
If by that you mean 'someone has to the lowest in rank among the main cast', then sure. But why would he need to be/stay an ensign? Or do you mean that each Star Trek cast "needs" an ensign because that's part of the formula ?
Kim is very probably "the first of all the ensigns" on board of Voyager, as a senior officer he probably even gets to command lieutenants on several occasions. Which make the reasons for not promoting him over time (and certainly after his promotion normally would have been due, I suppose after 3 years or so) only less strong.
Indeed. The US military typically promotes from Major to Lt Col after about 16 years TIS and about 6 years TIR. Assuming that Data graduated c 2345, then he could have been promoted to Commander as early as five years before arriving on the E-D.
Actually, IIRC Geordi was a shuttle pilot-engineer on the Victory when Picard first met him before arriving on the E-D, and after a night's work managed to exceed the design efficiency specs for Picard's shuttle.
Although the Mirror Earth Starfleet had the rank of Lieutenant Commander, there is no evidence that it exists in the regular Earth Starfleet. However, it's possible that the "Ship's Senior Lieutenant" (and/or Second Officer) is equivalent to a lieutenant commander in protocol, especially Reed's seniority over Mjr Hayes.
No that was said by one of producers of Star Trek Voyager. And no, I do not know who said that. And just let you know I wish he got promoted. He was a pretty darn good officer. It makes you feel any better in the voyager relaunch gets promoted to full Lieutenant. And maybe the reason why Janeway didn’t promote him is because they have a limited number of LT and LT jg Billetts and there just wasn’t one for harry. But then again it doesn’t explain why Tom Paris got promoted again to Lt jg over him. I know maybe Janeway just want to show Tom how proud she was of him cleaning up his act and becoming a good officer again. Or maybe operations manager on a intrepid class starship does not warrant Lieutenant Junior Grade.
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Well thats something.
My issue is not as much with Geordi suddenly being assigned to Chief Engineer after never working in Engineering is that he's suddenly become the best engineer Starfleet ever had seemingly in the course of one episode.
And in Season 1 whenever there was a crisis in Engineering Geordi didn't put his hand up and say I majored in Engineering at the Academy let me help. It was up to Wesley Crusher to save the day.
At least in STID Chekov had worked in engineering before and was a super genius and still needed help.
Well I can see Crusher Captain of a medical ship. In fact I did. I just can't see her captaining a Starship. Not because of her gender. Because she'd had to give up medicine basically.
Anyway in TOS it was said that Starship captains are a special category of people.
Youd think if Crusher was in that group it would have been said or she would have acted that way or maybe its different in TNG.
He only said that as an excuse to go on a mission which would help him expose a mole within the SGC.
Which doesn't make her qualified for command.
Sorry I should’ve been specific the fact that she’s a skill Doctor means that she is a capable person capable of learning new skills to the point where she can command a medical ship. Because there is absolutely no reason to waste a highly skilled ho would you say it “tactical captain” on a medical ship. And I’m sorry I should’ve said she’s a very skillful person. Considering she’s like the only doctor we’ve ever seen using a phaser actually hitting what she aims for
More likely command of a medical ship would go to a junior command officer. Or even likelier, it would be commanded by a civilian, like US Naval Hospital ships.
All Starfleet doctors have had successful marksmanship with phasers. Dr. McCoy vaporized a Mugato, and Dr. Bashir was no slouch either.
Sorry I guess I forgot about those doctors and there phasers. By the way since the only medical ship we ever see is in Starfleet (which is a naval service in a way) The ships commanded by civilians in the U.S. Navy service are military Sealift command (which is crewed mostly by cilvians with a small navy crew and which the us hospital ships are part of) I am pretty sure they are not going to assign a civilian captain to a starfleet ship. Now if the hospital ship was in the federation equivalent of military sealift command then sure It could be commanded by a civilian. So basically why I am inferring from you is that you believe the doctors do not belong any where in command ever and should just stay in sick bay where they belong and are most valuable. And I do agree with you that if they were to be commanded by non doctors they should be junior command officers seed to senior ones for the explorations/combat ships.
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Interesting, I didn't know that. I don't agree with it though, he could have been promoted and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference in my eyes for the series. But it's interesting to know it apparently was a deliberate choice from the producers, at least.
Oh, I'm not emotionally invested into it, I just think it is a bit illogical he was never promoted.
Neither am I just a saying. Yeah wish I could find who said that I think it was producer jeri Taylor. And your right it wasn’t logical but Dr Gillian Taylor once said "Whoever said the Human race was logical?"
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But would Garrett Wang be able to make more money on the convention circuit if he was Captain Kim or such instead of Ensign Kim? Would he be more popular?
I know that O'Neill said that to go offworld, but his reasoning is still spot on. Having been in a leadership role, I always felt it was important to know each section of your department. The best way to do that is to work each one yourself a bit. Otherwise, how can you help train new hires? Or advise people who just got promoted to a higher role within the team?
And honestly, what right would I have telling someone how to do something if I haven't done it myself? It also helps build a trusting relationship with your team... they see you getting your hands dirty with the rest of the crew. I've always had much more respect for bosses who do that than those who simply point fingers and sit behind a desk.
That’s were we are different then lol. I would at least like to get promoted once in seven years and not get killed off. Well unless I went out saving the ship from a very dangerous situation
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