Does It Get Better???

[tighr]

What matters is whether the character (Neelix) is affected in any significant way by this major event (as any normal person would be). It could take the form of PTSD, or another form, just something that communicates to the audience that these are real people (within the universe of the show), and not Sesame Street characters.

I think it was actually a better idea to have Neelix be the one who suffered the missing lung and the repercussions of it (which my other post mentioned, it does change him for the better) than some random red-shirt ensign. If there was one problem with TOS, its that no one gave a shit every time a red-shirt kicked the bucket.

Voyager has plenty of examples of random "red-shirts" getting killed off, when I would much rather they have used an established character. Killing someone we already know and love conveys the magnitude of their situation (think, Tasha Yar in Skin of Evil. Holy shit, that mud monster just killed Yar! He's evil!!!!!!)

 

[exodus]

. Neelix losing his lung - does this have ANY significance to the series? In fact is this even mentioned again in the series? I think the answer to both is "no."

Only have time to say... yes. In Macrocosm, Janeway uses a medical tricorder on Neelix after he's been stung, and she says there is fluid filling up his lungS. he corrects her and says... "Lung."

Was it's mention significant? Maybe not, but it was fun to hear the continuity.

Later for other thoughts.

I stand corrected, however, in my opinion, whether Janeway says "lung" or "lungs" is pretty trivial. What matters is whether the character (Neelix) is affected in any significant way by this major event (as any normal person would be). It could take the form of PTSD, or another form, just something that communicates to the audience that these are real people (within the universe of the show), and not Sesame Street characters.

I accept the fact that Neelix is alien and so is his physiology.
So I don't expect him to have these set backs or that the issue would be ongoing. Besides, I'd like to think in a universe with hyposprays, transporters, replicators and papa Joe Sisko being kept alive with artificial organs, medical science would have also moved beyond the use of an iron lung.

How real does Trek need to be before it stops being fiction?

 

[dulcimer47]

Its not like Neelix was a pro-athlete. Only having one lung would hardly make an interesting character arc.....I think the storylines regarding his past, his dead relatives, his loss of faith, his attachment to Naomi were a tad more important than a missing lung.

I agree, and outside of "Jetrel", how much of any of this was really dealt with?

It's not like I expect multiple episodes with him in physical therapy or anything, I'm just saying that the loss of the lung did not affect the character in any way from that point forward. If someone skipped "Phage", would they even notice, other than for Janeway's two-second reference and Neelix's correction of her that someone mentioned earlier.

In some ways, this is just the flaw with episodic storytelling. Voyager was basically an anthology series with the exception that the main characters were the same every episode, but almost nothing mattered episode-to-episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh bother.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I agree, and outside of "Jetrel", how much of any of this was really dealt with?

It's not like I expect multiple episodes with him in physical therapy or anything, I'm just saying that the loss of the lung did not affect the character in any way from that point forward. If someone skipped "Phage", would they even notice, other than for Janeway's two-second reference and Neelix's correction of her that someone mentioned earlier.

In some ways, this is just the flaw with episodic storytelling. Voyager was basically an anthology series with the exception that the main characters were the same every episode, but almost nothing mattered episode-to-episode.

Its just a freaking lung, what did you expect them to do exactly? Write episodes about how Neelix is out of breath? The lung that is left adjusts and becomes stronger, Neelix would hardly be at any disadvantage in his daily routine.

 

[tighr]

If someone skipped "Phage", would they even notice, other than for Janeway's two-second reference and Neelix's correction of her that someone mentioned earlier.

If someone skipped Phage, they would miss all of the plot exposition that I mentioned in my earlier post. At this point I don't feel like re-iterating it anymore, So I'll just link you to that post:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=5771134&postcount=917

 

[exodus]

Its not like Neelix was a pro-athlete. Only having one lung would hardly make an interesting character arc.....I think the storylines regarding his past, his dead relatives, his loss of faith, his attachment to Naomi were a tad more important than a missing lung.

I agree, and outside of "Jetrel", how much of any of this was really dealt with?

Ummm, "Rise", ""Mortal Coil", "Once Upon a Time", Homestead"....

It's not like I expect multiple episodes with him in physical therapy or anything, I'm just saying that the loss of the lung did not affect the character in any way from that point forward. If someone skipped "Phage", would they even notice, other than for Janeway's two-second reference and Neelix's correction of her that someone mentioned earlier.

How many episodes did TNG take to cover the affects of Worf having spinal replacement surgery?

How many eps did DS9 do about Nog loosing a leg?

 

[Lord Manitou]

Their was no evidence throughout the series Neelix ever got sick because of one lung. If he didn't already acquire a second lung he probably would receive some type of replacement from the Talaxians when he got onto the asteroid in "Homestead". I had to give up smoking- I know how it is.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Sorry it's been awhile since my last Voyager update. I've been staying at school late into the evening all week, so I haven't had any time to watch Voyager. I should have time to watch more tomorrow night. I just thought I would let you all know.

 

[exodus]

Sorry it's been awhile since my last Voyager update. I've been staying at school late into the evening all week, so I haven't had any time to watch Voyager. I should have time to watch more tomorrow night. I just thought I would let you all know.

Hurry!!!
We need to get this post back on topic.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Sorry it's been awhile since my last Voyager update. I've been staying at school late into the evening all week, so I haven't had any time to watch Voyager. I should have time to watch more tomorrow night. I just thought I would let you all know.

Hurry!!!
We need to get this post back on topic.

You mean you don't enjoy talking about Neelix's lung?

 

[tighr]

You mean you don't enjoy talking about Neelix's lung?

Eh, considering the last episode you reviewed was a Malon episode, I'm cool with continuing the Neelix lung topic!

Ahh, the Vidiians. It was a sad day when Voyager passed their space.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The Viidians should've been the main villains for the first couple of seasons. They were way scarier adversaries than the wimpy Kazon were.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I don't think they would have made sense as the main villains. They weren't some centralized force that could organize to go after Voyager...because that would have made no sense.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I enjoyed the retarded cowboy element of the Kazon. They were just a bunch of biker jerks with space ships.

 

[exodus]

I enjoyed the retarded cowboy element of the Kazon. They were just a bunch of biker jerks with space ships.

Sons of Anarchy meets Star Trek.
Yeah, I can see that.

The Viidians should've been the main villains for the first couple of seasons. They were way scarier adversaries than the wimpy Kazon were.

I don't know about main villains but I wouldn't have minded more episodes in the first two seasons featuring them. I never understood that if the race was so desperate to find a cure that they'd steal organs right out of a living person, why they didn't organize to hunt down Voyager for B'Elanna? If they believed Klingon DNA held a cure, why wouldn't they come after Voyager in force? Voyager would have been in serious dire straights with a 1-2 threat of the Vidiians and Seska w/ the Kazon. Voyager would've had nowhere to run.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Drone: I quite like this episode. It further developed Seven, my favorite character on Voyager, and it also introduced a Borg with 29th century technology. The Borg drone in this episode was interesting and it was fun to see his/her/its interactions with the crew members. All in all a satisfying episode.
7/10

 

[Guy Gardener]

The second Janeway saw what the mobile emitter could do for the Borg, she should have destroyed the emitter, destroyed any technical data, and then erased any memories of anything that could be used to recreate the aforementioned lost data.

The Borgs efforts to recreate the accident were nominal considering the deeper level perfection that was presenting itself.

 

[exodus]

Drone: I quite like this episode. It further developed Seven, my favorite character on Voyager, and it also introduced a Borg with 29th century technology. The Borg drone in this episode was interesting and it was fun to see his/her/its interactions with the crew members. All in all a satisfying episode.
7/10

Voyager trivia:
The actor playing One is the same actor that plays the Nazi in "The Killing Game"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The hot nazi?