Does It Get Better???

[DonIago]

The minute I heard about VOY I wondered how they'd address the Borg issue.

That being said, the idea that "Scorpion" or "Dark Frontier" were better than BoBW makes me chuckle a bit. I'd be curious to see what they would have done with BoBW if they'd had the FX advances that were available by the time of VOY.

 

[RoJoHen]

All things being equal, especially after so many years, I think I definitely prefer "Scorpion" to "BOBW." It's not a question of visual effects. Over the years, I've just come to realize that I greatly prefer the Voyager characters to the TNG ones. That said, my favorite parts of BOBW have nothing to do with the Borg. I much prefer the quieter scenes, like the one between Picard and Guinan when they discuss the oncoming battle, the scene between Deanna and Riker about what he really wants and how he's not as ambitious as he used to be, and the "That is now your chair" discussion between Guinan and Riker in Part 2.

 

[Anwar]

The minute I heard about VOY I wondered how they'd address the Borg issue.

That being said, the idea that "Scorpion" or "Dark Frontier" were better than BoBW makes me chuckle a bit. I'd be curious to see what they would have done with BoBW if they'd had the FX advances that were available by the time of VOY.

BOBW's claim to fame was the possibility of losing Picard, and the threat of assimilation. Take those two things away and the plot isn't anything Trek hadn't done before (it's the plot of TMP except the Borg were more hostile and weaker than V'Ger).

Also, it was the first time Trek ever did the cliffhanger at the end of the season trick and the lack of internet meant we were truly taken by surprise.

Lastly, the fandom wasn't out to hate TNG before it started like it was with VOY.

 

[DonIago]

I wasn't out to hate VOY before it started.

But then, plenty of fans were out to hate TNG before it started too, so I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.

 

[tighr]

I recall being extremely excited about Voyager before the premier. And internet WAS around back then, so I knew quite a bit about what the show was intended to be.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

The minute I heard about VOY I wondered how they'd address the Borg issue.

That being said, the idea that "Scorpion" or "Dark Frontier" were better than BoBW makes me chuckle a bit. I'd be curious to see what they would have done with BoBW if they'd had the FX advances that were available by the time of VOY.

Seven of Nine is the reason "Dark Frontier" is better than "Best of Both Worlds". The show has a real emotional center which I don't really get as much BOBW.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Dark Frontier was too Disney.

Even though, the Hanson's are the worst parents in science fiction since Vader cut Luke's hand off.

 

[DonIago]

Hey, I'm pretty sure Vader had told Luke to stop touching himself previously, but he just wouldn't listen...

 

[AdmiralScreed]

The last several days have been extremely busy, so I haven't had a lot of time to watch Voyager. Here are some updates:

Raven: I'd had such a long day by the time I got around to watching this that I couldn't stay awake for most of it. At some point I'll get around to watching it again.

Scientific Method: I really liked the Tom/B'Ellana scenes at the beginning, and the main plot was fairly interesting as well. I liked the message they were trying to get across about animal experimentation and how unfair and unethical it was (and still is). All in all a fine episode. I don't have any major complaints.
5/10

Year of Hell Part 1 and 2: This is the most exciting 2 parter I've seen in a while. I loved the dark atmosphere and the feeling of hopelessness that this episode created for the crew of Voyager. Seeing Janeway pushed to the extreme was interesting, and I thought the Krenim were really interesting characters. Also, good continuity with Before and After. Everything Kes predicted about the Year of Hell came true. Well, mostly everything.
No complaints, except for the minor issue of the reset button at the end.
9/10

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I think "The Raven" is a nearly great episode marred by the tacked on ending where Tuvok and Seven have to get out of the ship because of the attack by needlessly aggressive aliens™.
"Scientific Method" is a fun story and I always like it when we get to see Janeway actually show some emotion. One thing that bothers me is when Janeway talks about people being too lax on the ship though, since it really reminds you that there is so little different about Voyager compared to other Starfleet ships/crews despite its wholly unique situation. Nonetheless I enjoyed it.

I have mixed feelings about "Year of Hell" although I do feel it was a well written, acted and directed two-parter. I think I'm probably a little sour on the episode since it was originally a story in which Kes was to play an important role and while I was immensely enjoying Seven at this point in the show, I was missing the presence Kes too. I don't like how they basically didn't address Kes's warning about the Krenim. Some say that the temporal waves meant that Kes's warning never happened but I find that to be a completely BS explanation.
The only explanation I can think of is that species 8472's introduction into the AQ changed the original course of events meaning that Kes left the ship and the events of "Before and After" never happened - but even that doesn't really make much sense. Quite simply, I still think that "Year of Hell" stands somewhat uncomfortably with "Before and After" and if Kes had still been around, I'd probably have enjoyed it a whole lot more.
I just wish we'd got the year-long Year of Hell arc that was proposed, the reset button is certainly a pain.

 

[exodus]

I'd be curious to see what they would have done with BoBW if they'd had the FX advances that were available by the time of VOY.

Yeah, me too.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I just wish we'd got the year-long Year of Hell arc that was proposed, the reset button is certainly a pain.

That sounds like it could have been epic. Why was this idea shot down?

 

[DonIago]

Because TPTB didn't want to serialize the show to that degree....or, really, too much at all.

 

[Harvey]

I just wish we'd got the year-long Year of Hell arc that was proposed, the reset button is certainly a pain.

That sounds like it could have been epic. Why was this idea shot down?

UPN liked the show to be more episodic. They certainly shifted the episode order enough in the early seasons that any attempt at heavy serialization would have been messy.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Random Thoughts: Semi-interesting aliens of the week and a semi-interesting message about how prohibiting certain things can have positive and negative effects makes for a semi-interesting episode.
5/10

Concerning Flight: This was episode was pure fun! Seeing Leonardo da Vinci interacting with the future reminded me a lot of Mark Twain interacting with the TNG cast in Time's Arrow. This episode had a lot of laughs, and I think Janeway and da Vinci made for a great team!
8/10

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Oh boy, do we have different tastes. "Concerning Flight" an 8/10!? It SHOULD have been fun but there was a real lack of energy or humor about the episode, it was just written to be boring instead of funny. I liked "Random Thoughts" much more.

 

[Lord Manitou]

I think fully depicting Leonardo is always great. There can be no telling how real this ep can be, if it really happened. The ep. also shows how great the holo-deck is and it's program. This is an extension of Leonardo de Vinci coming from a computer that is temporarily disabled on an alien planet and its not necessary anyway because of the mobile emitter.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Considering they could have brought Flint back?

"excuse me, can you tell me the way to the... Master Leonardo!?"

"oh my, I haven't been called by that name in over 700 years."

A complete waste of resources.

 

[exodus]

Concerning Flight: This was episode was pure fun! Seeing Leonardo da Vinci interacting with the future reminded me a lot of Mark Twain interacting with the TNG cast in Time's Arrow. This episode had a lot of laughs, and I think Janeway and da Vinci made for a great team!
8/10

Someone with the acting skills of John Rhys Davies deserved a way better episode than the boring filler of an ep. he got. For all Janeways talk about how she idolized him and wanted to work next to him, we never see him again after this.

What a waste.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I really consider it one of the worst eps of VOY, for blandness. There is some interesting 7 interaction though.