Does it annoy anyone else that people expect you to be hardcore liberal if you're a Trekkie
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Please tell me where this glorious hippie-liberal-dominated alternate America (where the scourge of peace is shoved down your throat!) that you're referring to is located, so that I may ride to it forthwith on my equally real unicorn steed. Tell me, kind sir, has the also totally a real thing "War on Christmas" been won there so all you can legally say now is "Happy Holidays"?
Trying to get back to the topic of the thread... again... is this fantasy utopia also where everyone constantly asks if or assumes that you're a liberal if you like Star Trek? Because I haven't encountered that situation much out in the wild.
The franchise does not give the reasons for the war, however the movie First Contact states the arrival of the Vulcans help to usher in a new era of peace for the humans and the elimination of poverty etc. I guess it would take a generation used to knowing there are other beings in the galaxy (who can blast them to the stone age) to get over their petty human hangups and to be determined they would be less barbaric than their 21st century ancestors. Its the Millennial generation in the ST universe that start WW3.
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Perhaps it is more to do with the perception of a philosophy being forced upon someone.
But like you I can't recall encountering a situation, where you can only like a particular TV show if you lean left or right politically.
As Sagan put it in the original Cosmos series when talking about Johannes Kepler: "He was the first modern astronomer and the last scientific astrologer." Back in those days casting horoscopes paid more bills than real astronomy.
And Laplace answered, "I had no need of that hypothesis."
Not to mention that nearly two-thirds of state governments are controlled by Conservatives.
You mean all of the conservatives that call progressives "libtards", "regressives", "baby killers", "SJW", etc.?
Put yourself in Kirk's shoes. He's the captain and has to deal with a bunch of civilians breaking several laws and disrupting his ship. Even if this happened in nuTrek and it was Captain Frat Boy dealing with them, he'd still have to exercise some degree of responsibility (at least I would hope so; you never know with nuTrek).
I was sympathetic to Kirk but quite enjoyed Spock enjoying playing along. Saw that episode not that long ago and it is so cute. Yeah it wasn't meant to be 'cute' I'm sure but seeing the flower power, the singing and the crew doing those '60s dance moves
I always thought it was pretty funny that when Charles Napier appeared on DS9, he asked to play a character that was as un-Adam-like as possible. So they gave him the role of the cigar-chomping hardass Army general. 
And honestly I don't think the problem with the characters in "The Way to Eden" was that they were hippies. The real issue was that they were following a maniac like Dr. Sevrin. He was exploiting them, and their innocence, for his own gain.
Oh and I admit I've never seen a bicycle wheel used as a musical instrument...
And honestly I don't think the problem with the characters in "The Way to Eden" was that they were hippies. The real issue was that they were following a maniac like Dr. Sevrin. He was exploiting them, and their innocence, for his own gain.
Oh and I admit I've never seen a bicycle wheel used as a musical instrument...
Yeah I just sometimes think it's interesting watching the same episode over the course of your own life and experiences. Say when you're a kid watching a rerun and it's just this odd, colourful 'dated' bit of entertainment set in space. Years later in different times your own filter changes or you can see aspects that might speak to current messages. I saw Eden again and embraced all that dated corniness but processed it as an episode like I would a post on this board.
I always thought it was pretty funny that when Charles Napier appeared on DS9, he asked to play a character that was as un-Adam-like as possible. So they gave him the role of the cigar-chomping hardass Army general.
And honestly I don't think the problem with the characters in "The Way to Eden" was that they were hippies. The real issue was that they were following a maniac like Dr. Sevrin. He was exploiting them, and their innocence, for his own gain.
Oh and I admit I've never seen a bicycle wheel used as a musical instrument...
I had no idea that he asked to play that role. I thought he just played whatever they gave him regardless of what it might be.
After all, Patrick Steward felt no shame moving around luring a beasty worf with a vial of pheromones...
What other kind of dance moves would you expect 1960s hippies to do? It's not like they were going to whip out standard orchestral instruments and start waltzing.I was sympathetic to Kirk but quite enjoyed Spock enjoying playing along. Saw that episode not that long ago and it is so cute. Yeah it wasn't meant to be 'cute' I'm sure but seeing the flower power, the singing and the crew doing those '60s dance moves
Agreed. It doesn't take being a late-teen/young 20-something to get led astray by a cult leader. It just takes someone vulnerable enough to be exploited... like the Moonies, Hari-Krishna, and a myriad of others. It could happen to anyone of any age group whose psychological issues make them vulnerable to such exploitation.
I recall my jaw dropping the first time I saw that episode and realized what she was playing, and I was 12 at the time. Ever since then, I wondered just how much trouble the show's budget was really in, to resort to that.Oh and I admit I've never seen a bicycle wheel used as a musical instrument...
As someone who used to work on the properties crews in musical theatre, I recall very well how limited the budgets were that I had to work with sometimes, and some of the times when I had to come up with some cheap solution that would work. There was one year when the director had some pretty unrealistic expectations, and she wasn't happy when I had to shoot them down due to budget, laws regarding animals, and fire regulations.
The actress in the episode sold it, though - she managed that scene with a straight face so it was possible to pretend that she was playing some newfangled string instrument that just looked like a 20th century bike wheel.
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Did you honestly expect otherwise?
It doesn't even sound like you're saying people expect you to be "hardcore" anything, just left-leaning. The way you explained it earlier was more people expected you to be to the extreme far left of the spectrum.
But to answer your question, it probably wouldn't annoy me, since I *am* a liberal. However, since this has literally never happened to me, it's not been something I've had to be overly concerned about anyway.
The comments on this thread are solid evidence that Right-Wingers have very little difficulty with imagining themselves in a fantasy universe.
Of course, for many of them that universe resembles Ekos.
Of course, for many of them that universe resembles Ekos.
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