Does it annoy anyone else that people expect you to be hardcore liberal if you're a Trekkie

[urbandefault]

In the real world, people are just people. They have lives and hopes and dreams and problems and opinions, and they exist side by side every day. In the real world, most people don't have an inkling of the political leanings of the person next to them, and probably don't even care.

In the real world, the people who are demonized online for what they think are probably standing right next to you.

If some of the things people say online were said out loud in real life, they'd probably carry their teeth home in a sack.

Bill and Ted said it best: "Be excellent to each other."

 

[Australis]

THIS IS A STAR TREK BOARD @Australis ABSOLUTELY DOES NEED TO APOLOGIZE

I sorry.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Forget about "would be".
Happens every day on YouTube and Twitter.

Say anything they don't like and you are out.

YouTube even demonetised Blair White who is a transgender woman (from man) for being too conservative.

It's true that the left is very tolerant of free speech - as long as you are saying what they want to hear.

That said, I turned off Disc cos I thought it was a load of rubbish.
OTOH, I stopped watching Supergirl when they had lines like "This is the time for women. We can discuss this. What? Do we need to measure something?"
And "It's okay the President is an alien as long as you are still a Democrat"

It was because she broke YouTube’s rules for monetized videos by uploading bigoted material. YouTube is a business and gets to decide what gets to make money and bigoted material hurts their image. Her gender and politics have nothing to do with it and YouTube’s business policies have nothing to do with free speech since YouTube isn’t the government.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

Forget about "would be".
Happens every day on YouTube and Twitter.

Say anything they don't like and you are out.

Q.E.D.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Happens every day on YouTube and Twitter.

Say anything they don't like and you are out.

YouTube even demonetised Blair White who is a transgender woman (from man) for being too conservative.

It's true that the left is very tolerant of free speech - as long as you are saying what they want to hear.

YouTube is not "The Left", she was not thrown out of anything (her YouTube account is still active), and her account was demonitised because she is a raging bigot who regularly posts transphobic, homophobic, sexist and racist hate speech and wore blackface.

Also, being transgendered is not a get out of jail free card for being a bigot, any more than being a gay conservative (hello, Milo) gives you a free pass for being a bigot either. The far right loves using people of the groups they are trying to marginalize and oppress as a shield against criticism, but it doesn't work that way. Blair White is a transgendered woman who is bigoted against transgendered people (and other LGBT people and black people and others) and thinks they have a mental disorder that needs to be cured, so she's a convenient tool for the alt.right's hatred.

So yeah, totally just a mild difference of political opinion like the completely false way you framed it, right? Why you'd want to defend this kind of behavior or claim it as indicative of normal conservative political belief is beyond me.

 

[Awesome Possum]

She’s really one of the most toxic people I’ve seen online.

 

[Jayson1]

I don’t recall politics ever coming up on Quantum Leap.

It never focused to much on specific politics except for the easy stuff like Klu Klux Klan is bad,pimps are evil etc. The stuff everyone knows and accepts, They did take a stance that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and I guess that was a political opinion. I recall it being one that pissed off some conservatives back then because of the movie "JFK." The show being PC is more about always having the correct moral position on issues. Which of course was to be expected from 80's and early 90's network tv. They played it safe back then to make sure to never really offend anyone. Characters with shades of grey and complex emotional reactions wouldn't really be much of a thing until HBO. Tv seemed to have a period were it started to be risky in the 70's with things like "All in the Family" and "Maude" and "MASH" to kind of revert to a t conservative aproach it had in the 50's which I think might be connected to Reagan being elected and the world becoming more conservative yet also still existing in a world that had become more socially progressive except for when it came to making money. I guess everyone was into greed back then.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

In the real world, people are just people. They have lives and hopes and dreams and problems and opinions, and they exist side by side every day. In the real world, most people don't have an inkling of the political leanings of the person next to them, and probably don't even care.

In the real world, the people who are demonized online for what they think are probably standing right next to you.

If some of the things people say online were said out loud in real life, they'd probably carry their teeth home in a sack.

Bill and Ted said it best: "Be excellent to each other."

This is how I think. The internet does have the ability to drag out everyones dark side. People can say anything without paying any kind of price. People also I think spend way to much time on it where everyone is constantly exposing themselves to other people's anger and I think it wears down people and makes them more bitter and mean and depressed. I notice this even in myself at times when I am on the internet to long. I find myself getting triggered and frustrated over things that never bothered me in the past.

Jason

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Blair White is a transgendered woman who is bigoted against transgendered people

 

[Jayson1]

I've never heard of this Blair White person but could people simply not watch her Youtube video's? I know to not ever watch Alex Jones because he is either a asshole or someone pretending to be a asshole for the sake of making money.

Jason

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But people like that can still do serious damage...even if we don't read or watch what they do, others will, and thus their hate spreads.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I've never heard of this Blair White person but could people simply not watch her Youtube video's? I know to not ever watch Alex Jones because he is either a asshole or someone pretending to be a asshole for the sake of making money.

So you're saying don't discuss her because you could not watch and therefore have nothing to discuss?

 

[Awesome Possum]

She spreads transphobic misinformation some of which harms teenagers, attacks other trans people on YouTube and elsewhere, and argue while her transition was fine, that others shouldn’t unless they fit into her narrow definition of attraction and femininity.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Blair White is a transgendered woman who is bigoted against transgendered people.

Dominant groups using members of an oppressed minority or group as ideological weapons against that same minority is a common tactic. Phyllis Schlafly was a virulent anti-feminist who fought against women's rights at every turn; Anne Coulter does the same today. Ben Carson supports policies which hurt countless black people. Milo Yiannopoulos shills for politicians who tried to deny him basic civil rights as a gay man.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

All those people like the attention and being stars IMO. Some of them are so ridiculous there is there is no other explanation.

 

[Jayson1]

So you're saying don't discuss her because you could not watch and therefore have nothing to discuss?

Nope I have no problem with people talking about her and calling her out. Just curious as to why people even bother to watch someone you know isn't a good person and will say terrible things. Why expose oneself to that kind of behavior? Seems to me the best way to get ride of her is to just ignore her and tell people why they should ignore her and hope they make the right choice. Like I said I avoid "Alex Jones" and I never watch "FoxNews" anymore. This person is only as toxic and powerful as we let her, be. In theory you would think you wouldn't need to do anything because they would bring themselves down with promoting immoral values and people will not want to have anything to do with it.

Jason

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes but you KNOW who Alex Jones is.

That's is what people are posting here. Familiarity with who that woman is the way you are familiar with who Alex Jones is.

You really seem to like to be contrarian to the most ridiculous things.

 

[Jayson1]

Yes but you KNOW who Alex Jones is.

That's is what people are posting here. Familiarity with who that woman is the way you are familiar with who Alex Jones is.

You really seem to like to be contrarian to the most ridiculous things.

I don't think I was being a contrarian. I was just asking a question. Just how popular is she? Does she have a big following or is it like 40 subscribers to her channel? I am also guessing that since Youtube is Youtube you will end up getting like tons and tons of new videos defending her making her even more popular than she had been. Heck it kind of worked in this situation. I didn't know her and now I do. How many people are going to be exposed to now that she is forced out that never knew who she was before this? Doesn't this sort of invite a backlash that could even be worst than just some bigot saying bigoted things? Now you will have people rallying around her.

Jason

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The internet does have the ability to drag out everyones dark side. People can say anything without paying any kind of price.

I've never heard of this Blair White person but could people simply not watch her Youtube video's?

So, within the span of the four minutes separating your posts, you completely reversed positions from lamenting that "People can say anything [on the internet] without paying any kind of price" to casually dismissing that a YouTuber literally had to pay a monetary price in the form of lost ad revenue for her online bigotry as if it were something that should have just been handled by ignoring the problem and hoping it would solve itself, all while she would have continued to profit from her hate speech. Well done.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't think I was being a contrarian. I was just asking a question. Just how popular is she? Does she have a big following or is it like 40 subscribers to her channel? I am also guessing that since Youtube is Youtube you will end up getting like tons and tons of new videos defending her making her even more popular than she had been. Heck it kind of worked in this situation. I didn't know her and now I do. How many people are going to be exposed to now that she is forced out that never knew who she was before this? Doesn't this sort of invite a backlash that could even be worst than just some bigot saying bigoted things? Now you will have people rallying around her.

Like I said above in the conversation you're obviously not even paying attention to before responding, she wasn't forced out, though this private corporation would be entirely within its rights to do so. She's still on YouTube, she just had the ability to make money from advertising on her videos removed. Maybe you should learn a few things about the subject matter before wading into the conversation with these broadsweeping opinions and pronouncements you always like to throw down. I didn't know anything about this woman until theblitz mentioned her above, because like you suggested I don't tend to watch bigoted alt.right YouTube videos. So you know what I did? I looked her up on multiple sources so I would be knowledgeable about what I was talking about before I gave my opinion instead of rushing headlong into the fray without any information. It's remarkably helpful.