Discovery has major writing issues. Its political parallels kind of pale in respect, though like him or not Lorca was the most compelling character.
Does it annoy anyone else that people expect you to be hardcore liberal if you're a Trekkie
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This.
And, even though today I'm an Anti-Trump Independent who votes Democratic, I was a Republican until 2000.
I wouldn't call those political. People already knew back then that racism was wrong especially when the racism isn't subtle and you don't get much nuance with Klan members or southern 50's bigots. Also people for the most part had already excepted that Vietnam was a mistake. I guess the gay man in a military academy would come close to being political. It was even kind of shocking back then that Al would be against the idea of gay men being able to serve until he learns a lesson at the end that he was wrong. Still the bad guys in the episode are still kind of cliche asshole types. It's easy to route against them even if your not into gay rights issues.
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I don't know. I think people might not think they are racist but I am sure they know the term is a bad one. Also I was thinking more about the mainstream views on these subjects. You will always have some people in any era kind of hold onto old values but I think for the most part their was more overall agreement. It seems today some things are now seen as okay that never would be seen as okay in the past. I don't think many Republicans would ever support someone like Trump in the 90's or be okay with a pedophile. like Roy Moore. Not when it's so overt. Our leaders were still expected to not be clowns. Clinton playing a sax on "Arsenio Hall was what counted as doing something that wasn't very presidental. Now days you could have one of them masturbate on tv while playing a sax and you would have some people find a excuse to be okay with it.
Jason
I thought it was neat when Clinton played on Arsenio Hall. There's nothing wrong with politicians demonstrating that they've got something in their brains besides political hot air.
Mind you, that's if it's done well. I have no idea if Clinton played well or not.
Mind you, that's if it's done well. I have no idea if Clinton played well or not.
I think he played okay if I recall. It did give him some personality and I even remember people comparing him to JFK. I'm not sure if he would have won though if it hadn't been for Ross Perot.
Jason
Did JFK play a musical instrument in public?
Seriously, I can think of worse things for a politician to do. Our former Prime Minister fancied himself a musician. He had a "band" and sang... cripes, I sing better than he does, and I can barely carry a tune in a wheelbarrow. He also did a standup routine that even his son was ashamed of.
As for our current PM, he enjoys bhangra dancing, which is fine for the Indo-Canadian club, but wasn't so well-received during his recent visit to India.
So compared to that, a little saxophone-playing seems pretty harmless.
It didn't bother me and I thought it was neat. I am guessing though it didn't feel right to many simply because it hadn't been done before. I mean the only other example I can think of that feels similar is Nixon being on "Laugh In." Of course you had Reagan who use to be a movie star and I think Jimmy Carter claimed to once see a UFO and his brother with the beer stuff. One difference was Clinton did the sax thing while campaigning. I think it might have been seen as being a stunt more than a quirk. Of course he had a few other of those things with the "I did not inhale" and the pickup truck were I think he use to smoke weed or carry weed. I kind of forgotten the details of it. Also I think he went on MTV as well which I recall people making a big deal out of. Not sure if he did Oprah. Was it Bush who was the first president to do Oprah? I think that might have been the beginning of American Presidents doing interviews in less serious places like on CNN or something like that.
Jason
One of the modern rites of passage for Canadian politicians is if they get ambushed by the crew of "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" - which is one of our political satire shows. It's interesting that the politicians from the left-wing parties all go along with it, but the previous Conservative Prime Minister sicced his security on the reporter. That party has absolutely no sense of humor.
Well that has long been a tradition of many on the right in America. Well they did like humor but it was more of the "He Haw" variety The ones who were racist and sexist also loved those jokes when they were mean spirited but not so much when they were the but of the joke. . Liberals like George Carlin and Richard Pryor would push the envelope and liberals loved it because they were standing up against the establishment and society and conformity. I suspect today Carlin and Pryor would be attacked by some on the left for being to insensitive and those on the right would all of sudden be for free speech and be defending them. It's really hard to trying to figure out any consistent consensus with any group anymore IMO. Everyone is all over the map sometimes believing in things they always believed in and sometimes feeling like they are taking views of the groups they used to disagree with.
Jason
Yes he was rather a sleaze!Yes, Marilyn!
Do we know that they slept together?
To engage in a bit of reverse whataboutism, what about Trump? I've never seen you use that kind of language to describe him, and have seen you attack people who do criticize him, so what gives?
Yes Trump is a sleaze too. Probably worse.
Thank you.
That's what happens when you give people the choice between the two worst candidates ever.
It was a "who is hated less" competition.
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