Does it annoy anyone else that people expect you to be hardcore liberal if you're a Trekkie

[Jayson1]

So, within the span of the four minutes separating your posts, you completely reversed positions from lamenting that "People can say anything [on the internet] without paying any kind of price" to casually dismissing that a YouTuber literally had to pay a monetary price in the form of lost ad revenue for her online bigotry as if it were something that should have just been handled by ignoring the problem and hoping it would solve itself, all while she would have continued to profit from her hate speech. Well done.

Wouldn't nobody watching her video's count as "paying a price?" You don't have to force people out to make them go away. Kind of like Ryan Sequest being ignored at the Oscars on the red carpet. Nobody is forced to watch her video's. A boycott would seem to make sense to me.

Jason

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

How was she forced out Jayson. It's been explained to you that she wasn't.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Wouldn't nobody watching her video's count as "paying a price?" You don't have to force people out to make them go away. Nobody is forced to watch her video's. A boycott would seem to make sense to me.

Why do you keep doing this? She wasn't "forced out." It's like you build some false narrative in your mind of what happened and nothing will ever convince you otherwise. It's hard to imagine that it's not deliberate at this point after how often you do it.

Are you under the impression that most of her YouTube audience is made up of people who don't like her bigotry? Why would fans of her videos boycott?

Kind of like Ryan Sequest being ignored at the Oscars on the red carpet.

 

[Jayson1]

How was she forced out Jayson. It's been explained to you that she wasn't.

Okay I made a mistake. I was just kind of curious as to what makes her worst than all the other bigots and racist on the internet. Was she trying to get people to commit criminal acts or was it just ranting and raving? What makes her so special?

Jason

 

[Lookingglassman]

I just assumed Trekkies were all kinds of folks with different politics.

 

[Awesome Possum]

How was she forced out Jayson. It's been explained to you that she wasn't.

I don't think he reads past the first sentence of any post.

I almost feel bad for Blaire White. If you grow up as a socially oppressed minority you hear a lot of negative things about people like yourself. It's so socially accepted that you internalize it and begin to believe it yourself. Not just outright slurs, but how people like you are presented. For a lot of trans women who grew up in the 80s and 90s, it was an extremely awful time. At best you were some pathetic creature using surgery in freak show like documentaries, at worst a man in a dress tricking other men into sex. It's in everything from comedies to talk shows to movies. You were the punchline of a joke and nothing else. Some of us get over it, and others don't because you want the people who were cruel to accept you by repeating them. They'll turn on her eventually and hopefully she will be okay.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Okay I made a mistake. I was just kind of curious as to what makes her worst than all the other bigots and racist on the internet. Was she trying to get people to commit criminal acts or was it just ranting and raving? What makes her so special?

Or you could just read my previous post (or Possum's) where I already explained all this.

But once again...

She violated YouTube's Video Monetization Criteria and terms of service by posting transphobic, homophobic, racist, and sexist content (numerous examples on this site I already posted), and therefore had the ability to profit from her videos with ad revenue revoked by YouTube. She was not removed from YouTube or had any of her videos censored however.

There is nothing "special" or unique about her in terms of being a bigot on the internet or YouTube, as there are countless others, some of which also make money via ad revenue and may or may not have had it revoked by YouTube as well. They are making an effort to be more proactive about it recently. She doesn't have to be unique or commit a crime for a private corporation to decide they don't want to continue to give her the means to profit from hate speech on their service.

Ok?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Also the companies paying for the ads expect youtube to filter, they don't want to be an ad on a hate video because they don't want the connection and association between their product and the hatetuber. Youtube has had to step up because they have had backlash from companies over not filtering well enough, something the company pays for.

 

[Jayson1]

Or you could just read my previous post (or Possum's) where I already explained all this.

But once again...

She violated YouTube's Video Monetization Criteria and terms of service by posting transphobic, homophobic, racist, and sexist content (numerous examples on this site I already posted), and therefore had the ability to profit from her videos with ad revenue revoked by YouTube. She was not removed from YouTube or had any of her videos censored however.

There is nothing "special" or unique about her in terms of being a bigot on the internet or YouTube, as there are countless others, some of which also make money via ad revenue and may or may not have had it revoked by YouTube as well. They are making an effort to be more proactive about it recently. She doesn't have to being unique or commit a crime for a private corporation to decide they don't want to continue to give her the means to profit from hate speech on their service.

Ok?

Okay that makes sense. I sometimes kind of forget that Youtube is a business. It still find it kind of weird that people can make money off of making video's. I still sort of think if it as the place were anybody went and posted all sorts of everyday silly stuff. Sorry about the confusion.


Jason

 

[Discofan]

I don't know where some have found the weird idea that Youtube was on the left... It certainly doesn't look that way to me.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't know where some have found the weird idea that Youtube was on the left... It certainly doesn't look that way to me.

It's pretty much a mix. For example I once looked up something about religion and for ever post about how some guy "owned" some realigous person you had another were "Aithest fail" when trying to explain why God isn't real. It's one place were you can watch Alex Jones and then switch to Young Turks if you wanted to.

Jason

 

[Discofan]

It's pretty much a mix. For example I once looked up something about religion and for ever post about how some guy "owned" some realigous person you had another were "Aithest fail" when trying to explain why God isn't real. It's one place were you can watch Alex Jones and then switch to Young Turks if you wanted to.

Jason

I know Atheists on the right, I also know religious people that are on the left. That's really not as clear cut as some would like you to believe.

 

[Jayson1]

I know Atheists on the right, I also know religious people that are on the left. That's really not as clear cut as some would like you to believe.

I know. My entire family is liberal and my mom and niece believe in a God. I am even open to the idea since I am agnositc. My dad though is a republican and has no interest in religion. Still it is a cliche by now.

Jason

 

[Herbert]

Takes care of worrying about greying hair.

That's interesting because I never cared about going grey. I just didn't want to go bald, which thankfully isn't happening because my head is too egg shaped and a shaved head would not be a good look on me.

 

[suarezguy]

Do I think it's weird that a sci-fi show that represents a socialist utopia where people only work because they're bored, everybody gets universal healthcare and free education

In the U.S. we have everybody getting free education for 13 years without that being only supported by liberals, let alone the country being a socialist utopia.

and their sorta-kinda military's modus operandi is exploration and making friends and not blowing shit up appeals to right-wing conservatives?

Yeah, with that disconnect it does seem pretty odd for more hawkish conservative viewers to be fans although Deep Space Nine had a pretty aggressive version of Starfleet.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't know where some have found the weird idea that Youtube was on the left... It certainly doesn't look that way to me.

In my travels on the internets, I've noticed that many far right wing posters often label anyone who tells them "no", or warns, bans, or otherwise penalizes them in any way as Leftists, because it's easier to conceive that you were the victim of left wing persecution than simply concede that you probably got in trouble for behaving like an asshole.

Hell, it's happened multiple times already in this very thread, without anyone even getting in trouble to inspire the victimization. We've had people who were banned who accused the admin of the forum, who is staunchly conservative, of being an SJW Leftist (and then some nasty sexist names), which if you had any political discussions with her at all you would know to be a laughable claim.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

In the U.S. we have everybody getting free education for 13 years without that being only supported by liberals, let alone the country being a socialist utopia.

Tons of conservatives argue for privatizing education. It's not something you can generally win an election on, but conservative politicians do their best to undermine public education. A lot of the so-called "school choice" movement stuff is really just a way puff up private schools and devalue public schools.

 

[Jayson1]

Also wasn't TNG and Berman era Trek kind of conservative? I mean no gay people at all. The shows were family friendly, even DS9 so they were not ever going to take any of what you might call radical social opinions. The messages were things that for the most part I think everyone both left and right usually agreed with. Even the global warming story wasn't really a liberal thing because I recall a time when those on the right weren't so anti-climate change. Heck I even recall when the safety net was seen as a neccessary evil by many on the right and it wasn't just lazy poor people who don't want to work. I mean that mindset was around but I don't think it was nearly as bad as it became once Talk Radio and FoxNews made the Republican party become more and more toxic. ALso lets not forget that the sex stuff was about as plain as you can get. Holding hands,kissing and foot massages counted as sexual stuff. Other than Pulaski and Riker killing their clones I don't know if they ever did anything you could call as being shocking.

Jason

 

[Timewalker]

I don’t recall politics ever coming up on Quantum Leap.

Not even in the episodes in which Sam leaped into a white man defending a black person, or the ones about the Vietnam war? I seem to recall there were at least two of those, one of which had Sam leaping into himself as a teenager.

 

[Velocity]

The only expectations most people seem to have about Trekkies, in my experience, is just that we are nerds. People who don't follow Trek really don't know much about it and don't care to, at least not enough to form political opinions about it.