Does anyone know how Beyond is tracking for its opening weekend?

[RAMA]

Drivel.

The 3 movies score 95%, 86% and 84% on RT and Beyond has a high audience rating. So much for your substandard movies.

Star Trek, despite some pop culture recognition will always be a "niche" franchise. It'll never have quite the same broad appeal as the more popular Marvel movies or Star wars.

RAMA

A spectacular movie? No, sorry, it simply isn't. It's a blatant copy of Guardians of the Galaxy with large parts of Fast & Furious thrown in for good measure. And in acknowledgement of how little the film had to do with Star Trek, Paramount couldn't even be bothered to put Star Trek on the film poster. While the film has its better character moments, large parts of it are a loud, visually incoherent, crashing bore. And the less said about the lack of story, the better.



I get the feeling that despite your best efforts, you're having trouble putting a positive spin on the box office figures. They must be bad. "Scraping" $200m in the US would be an unmitigated disaster for a $195m tentpole summer blockbuster. Consider this as an example. This film, on a vastly bigger budget, could well take less than Terminator Genisys globally. And we all know there won't be any more Terminator films.

The only reason Paramount keeps churning out these sub standard "Star Trek" movies, which aren't really Star Trek movies at all, is because the two words Star Trek are the only property the studio has that makes it any money.

 

[Smellmet]

A spectacular movie? No, sorry, it simply isn't. It's a blatant copy of Guardians of the Galaxy with large parts of Fast & Furious thrown in for good measure. And in acknowledgement of how little the film had to do with Star Trek, Paramount couldn't even be bothered to put Star Trek on the film poster. While the film has its better character moments, large parts of it are a loud, visually incoherent, crashing bore. And the less said about the lack of story, the better.



I get the feeling that despite your best efforts, you're having trouble putting a positive spin on the box office figures. They must be bad. "Scraping" $200m in the US would be an unmitigated disaster for a $195m tentpole summer blockbuster. Consider this as an example. This film, on a vastly bigger budget, could well take less than Terminator Genisys globally. And we all know there won't be any more Terminator films.

The only reason Paramount keeps churning out these sub standard "Star Trek" movies, which aren't really Star Trek movies at all, is because the two words Star Trek are the only property the studio has that makes it any money.

I'm not trying to put a 'spin' on anything. Merely reporting the figures as I find them. Blatant rip off of guardians of the Galaxy? Give me a break.

 

[RAMA]

http://deadline.com/2016/07/star-tr...kiptrace-international-box-office-1201791877/

Box Office details. Worldwide and domestic

 

[KGator]

I may not be British, but having lived there for a few years, I like to think I understand the UK well. Star Trek is wildly popular there. It's one of two countries (the other being Germany) that basically aired Star Trek every single day for nearly a decade. At times, I could literally watch 5-6 episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9. VOY, ENT in one day.

Most of the UK market would not pick BFG over Star Trek.

I'm not disputing anything you just said or your impressions from your time there. I will just say that Dahl is a popular British author. BFG made a third of what STB is making in its US release but with both movies opening on the same weekend this weekend in the UK, BFG won the weekend. Maybe STB will have better word of mouth and eventually make more but currently it is falling behind BFG as well as the previous 2 Star Trek releases.

By the way, it is funny you mentioned Germany as another country with a strong Star Trek background. That is a country that did very well for STID but has shown a significant decline for STB.

 

[photon70]

No one in the business expected numbers like the second one. If they do 59 million they're doing great.

And the 3 reboot movies are following the same box office pattern that STTMP, TWOK and TSFS followed.

A huge first movie, slight drop for the 2nd and slight drop for the 3rd.

TVH then bumped things up a lot so bring on ST14!

 

[photon70]

The closest parallel is with last year's Mission Impossible, which opened with $55m and finished with $195m in North America.

STB, should finish just over $200m.

The 3 reboots would have then done $257m, $228m and about $200m in North America.

This mirrors STTMP, TWOK and TSFS which did $82.2m, $78.9m and $76.5m.

(Adjusted for inflation, Box Office Mojo listed them as $284m, $232m and $197m).

 

[Smellmet]

Classic law of diminishing returns. All eyes on the foreign take now.

 

[Devon]

Forbes is reporting $59.6 million which given inflation is actually less than First Contact's opening weekend (FC opening with 30 million in 1996 which would be approx. $61 million at today's rates).

Here are few theories put forward by some articles like Forbes and Variety on why Beyond (while doing fine) isn't as lucrative as the previous two movies:

1) Slower box office returns - 2016 has seen a decrease in the amount of box office revenue.

This and the promotional momentum are pretty much it.

5) More excitement for Star Trek Discovery then for Beyond. Many Trek fans are more excited about the upcoming TV show then the movie and this might have affected people turn out. The launch and success of TNG has sometimes been raised as a reason for the lower Box Office returns for Trek V and VI.

Actually to the contrary, TrekMovie.com had a poll up about a month or two ago in which something like 66% out of 5,000 votes were more excited for Beyond than the new series. Although I don't believe I've heard of TNG being responsible for any lower returns for Final Frontier. The Final Frontier's opening weekend was actually on-par with the rest of the franchise up to that point. But it's overall intake probably has more to do with the horrible reviews it ended up getting that killed it.

 

[Dream]

They waited too long to do Star Trek Into Darkness. 4 years between movies is an eternity nowadays, people have really short attention spans. Paramount failed to build on the success of the 2009 movie.

It was ridiculous how Paramount let Abrams do Super 8 between Trek movies, who did Abrams think he was, Michael Bay?

They are rushing out the Star Wars sequels, two year between movies, to keep the public's attention. With spin offs between the main movies even! That's how you are suppose to do it!

 

[photon70]

Don't forget the $59.6m is only as estimate based on projected sales for Sunday for a typical movie.

Star Trek's 1st Sunday has always been a little above expectations.

 

[KGator]

Don't forget the $59.6m is only as estimate based on projected sales for Sunday for a typical movie.

Star Trek's 1st Sunday has always been a little above expectations.

Studio estimates are usually pretty accurate but I agree. I'm expecting the actuals to be slightly higher (between 60.1 and 60.5).

STB was tracking for a a 23-23.5 Saturday number before the West Coast crapped out on us. Apparently Star Trek is not as popular on the West Coast as it is on the East Coast and Midwest. What a pisser!

They waited too long to do Star Trek Into Darkness. 4 years between movies is an eternity nowadays, people have really short attention spans. Paramount failed to build on the success of the 2009 movie.

Dream, I think you are dead on. They waited too long to make STID and it seems they lost a lot of the goodwill and momentum they had from the reboot.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I don't think we'll ever see a Trek movie have a better weekend than Star Trek (2009), unless it's something that ironically appeals to far more than Star Trek fans.

 

[Lynn Minmay]

How about everyone watching Sunday night? Aren't those factored into the weekend gross?

 

[photon70]

I don't think we'll ever see a Trek movie have a better weekend than Star Trek (2009), unless it's something that ironically appeals to far more than Star Trek fans.

True unless they it a massive tentpole by having bankable movie stars in the next one and a multi-verse / time travel story.

I mean if you're spending close to $200m, surely you can pay for Chris Hemsworth, and have Trekkie guess stars in support roles like Tom Hanks.

 

[KGator]

How about everyone watching Sunday night? Aren't those factored into the weekend gross?

They base their Sunday estimates from typical percentage drops of movies from Saturdays to Sundays. Unless the previously reported numbers are wrong, it looks like they are assuming about a 26.5% drop. To me that seems high. I would expect closer to a 22-23% drop but maybe they know something we don't (like Friday or Saturday's reported numbers were overestimated).

Tomorrow afternoon the actuals will be released.

 

[section9]

I was in a theater with my family.

Great reaction from the audience. I think this film has legs.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I was in a theater with my family.

Great reaction from the audience. I think this film has legs.

Well its gotten some good reviews. Finally a mission away from Earth or Vulcan. I may even enjoy this one. I will be seeing it sometime this week.

 

[timtonruben359]

Another reason for the lower box off could actually be the release date of Beyond. Both ST09 and STID were released in May when the summer box office is just starting. Movies released in May, June and early July tend to bring in more money than movies released in late July and August.

BTW Variety is now reporting that Beyond foreign box office is now being seen a disappointment.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

To the doomsday people: Guys, it's been a low year all around. The fact that we are where we are is awesome! I think we're getting a sequel.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I think most of Star Trek's current fanbase is made up of people that discovered the franchise through TV (mostly TOS & TNG). Younger people today are too young to have gotten into those TV shows, and thus there's not as many Star Trek fans among them.

Which is another way of saying that the fanbase is getting older and dying off, and needs new blood, which it's getting, but slowly.