Do you want the Spock/Uhura romance to continue in Trek XII?

[Pauln6]

We have to assume that it isn't against regulations to date an instructor I suppose... although it seems wrong to me.

And I still want Chapel in the sequel, I'd just prefer it they acknowledged her background in biological research, archaeology, paleobiology and any other -ology we can tenuously link to Korby's area of expertise rather than 'just' a nurse. Nursing is very worthwhile but in a movie like this it means she'd be stuck in sickbay handing hypos to McCoy. I want Chapel do be her own character.

 

[SheliakBob]

Great Bird of the Galaxy help me, but I said "yes".
Look, if they're going to screw around with things, well, HELL, at least do something different.
Spock/Uhura is...."different". In a big way.
I dunno.
I already have so much ire invested in this bizarre relationship mutation that I'd hate to have it all go to waste.

...and, if someday--it leads to Zoe Saldana in a sexy T'Pring outfit, well, that would be something.
just sayin'.

 

[Sector 7]

NO. I have seen all the "emo-Spock makin' out with the black chick" I ever want to see.

What the fuck does that particular adjective have to do with anything?

Be very careful answering that.

1. I am intrigued that particular moderators take it upon themselves to not only monitor my every word, but also caution me on what and how I should post prior to my posting. I am sure such a moderator will have planned at least 2 versions of warning in preparation for any post. [Pro-active/re-active; poe-tay-toe/poe-tah-toe, eh?]

2. I merely find it curious that the respondent chose to react to only one word in a phrase set apart by quotes. As I also posted: what I saw was mostly physical contact, rather than actual romance between them, hence the phrase I placed in quotes. Any intelligent person who has read my 2,975 prior posts knows I do not participate in bigotry, so I have no need to defend myself now.

3. Pauln6 and micron, I have thoroughly enjoyed not only your posts, but the civilized way in which you respect differing opinions. I can only wish others were as you are.

4. A) The Spock/Uhura relationship was an inappropriate instructor/student affair which in most of our universities is against policy and a punishable offense.
B) Spock was aware it was not appropriate, hence he wanted "to avoid the appearance of favoritism" by not posting Uhura to Enterprise.

 

[Hyperspace05]

I say YES. A mature relationship between two adults would be great to see. (and with Spock involved, it will hardly be 'twilight' territory)

Plus anything that leads to a greater screen time for Saldana is a great thing.

 

[Pauln6]

Meh some of my posts disppear occasionally. I just assume I dreamed them.

The greatest strength of NuTrrek is that the lead performances are very nuanced. A lot of Hollywood films are a bit heavy handed and I'm British - we like everybody's personal emotions bottled up and bubbling below the surface. If they keep the angst subtle I'm all for it.

I do want more screen time for Saldana but I don't want her screen time to be dominated by her role as a girlfriend. She's a starfleet officer in a senior position and I'd rather she got more recognition for that too.

 

[Hyperspace05]

I do want more screen time for Saldana but I don't want her screen time to be dominated by her role as a girlfriend. She's a starfleet officer in a senior position and I'd rather she got more recognition for that too.

Oh yes, I agree with that. I did not mean to imply that we should just see her as a girlfriend - it should only be a small part of her screen time.

 

[micron]

[FONT=Calibri]Sector 7 [/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Thanks.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Calibri]If I may ask, would you mind corroborating statement #4, A and B a bit further? How did you arrive to these conclusions? Was any of this confirmed either Orci or Kurtzman? If these statements are based only on fandom “rumor” I would not attach much importance to it.[/FONT]

 

[micron]

Sorry for the post above. I don't know what happed.
I hope you do not mind if I repost.

Sector 7
thanks.

If I may ask, would you mind corroborating statement #4 A and B a bit further? How did you arrive to this conclusion? Was ony of this confirmed by either Orci or Kurtzman? If these statements are based only of fandom "rumor" I would not attach much importance to them.

 

[Sector 7]

Sorry for the post above. I don't know what happed.
I hope you do not mind if I repost.

Sector 7
thanks.

If I may ask, would you mind corroborating statement #4 A and B a bit further? How did you arrive to this conclusion? Was ony of this confirmed by either Orci or Kurtzman? If these statements are based only of fandom "rumor" I would not attach much importance to them.

I am not sure what corroboration you need. I shall try to expand upon them as best I can:

A) The Spock/Uhura relationship was an inappropriate instructor/student affair which in most of our universities is against policy and a punishable offense.

In almost every American university it is against policy for an instructor to have a sexual/romantic relationship with a student. This is based upon the same tenets of doctor/patient relationships and the problems which can occur. For example: If I am your supervisor/employer/doctor/teacher/commanding officer, I am assumed to have power over you. Therefore the assumption is that since we are not equals/peers we should not be involved in such a non-professional relationship.

B) Spock was aware it was not appropriate, hence he wanted "to avoid the appearance of favoritism" by not posting Uhura to Enterprise.

The answer to this is found onscreen: In the shuttle hanger when assignments are given, Uhura is assigned to the Farragut. She immediately seeks out Spock and confronts him. She points out all the reasons she EARNED the assignment she desired. Spock admits he did not assign her to Enterprise because it would appear to be favoritism. Therefore, Spock recognized the relationship would be frowned upon if it came out that Uhura got the Enterprise assignment while involved in a relationship with Spock. Watch Spock's eyes closely during this scene. He is afraid someone will notice the scene Uhura is making. He does not want to be seen in public having a 'couple's spat'.

I hope this helps to clarify what I meant.

 

[micron]

Sector 7, I just wanted to know how you arrived at your conclusions

ok, let me address part A
I hear what you are saying. However, I do not think that your conclusion could apply to spock/uhura. The story is set about 250 years in the future (alternative future). This means that a lot of things that govern our society today (laws, regulations, morality, etc) had changed, became obsolete, or ceased to matter to future generations. What I am trying to say is that what matters to us today may be irrelevant 250 years from now. Student/teacher relationships may well be a "non-issue" in the future.

now part B
I do not think there is anything Spock should feel guilty about. Part A above explains why. Now, why did he speak about favoritism I do not know for sure. I would need a bit more information before I tackle this one seriously. I have a couple of ideas bouncing in my head, but they are not formed to a degree I would feel comfortable sharing. Anyway, I wish Orci and Kurtzman would just tell us...or not. Time between now the sequel will pass quicker if we are kept busy guessing.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm ambivalent. Sector 7 has a point. In some ways the fact that Uhura is able to persuade Spock to rescind a command decision is indicative of precisely why they shouldn't serving on the same ship. She uses logic to justify her argument which is sensible and demonstrates that she understands precisely how to persuade Spock to change his mind.

On the other hand, if it was against regulations, Spock would have cited them instead of using the appearance of 'favoratism' as his justiciation. As I've said before, Starfleet has very lax discipline overall.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

Yes! And i am so surprised at how many people are voting yes.

 

[micron]

Well, the writers did say they are going to flesh out characters (all the main ones) more as the story progresses. Better characterization may help us better understand what motives were behind some actions, words, situations, etc.

 

[Trekkie2]

That is a definite on Spock & Uhura! It was a surprise and yet it wasn't! He could be forced to populate New Vulcan! I'd like to see interaction between McCoy & Chapel! No clue as to why they never paired these two, they have so much in common! Maybe intersperse the deadly disease he had in TOS and she's got to find the cure to save him!

What I don't want to see is "The Babe A Week" Kirk! I like the friendship he developed with Spock and McCoy! The bachelor does 25 chicks thing, is disgusting! Don't make the character shallow where women are concerned. Give Kirk a real purpose...maybe daddy survived! He got left behind on Rura Penthe! Jimmy has to go get him! Spock and McCoy can't let their friend do this alone! And Scotty is there manning the transporter! Uhura, in this universe, knows Klingon! Hey, someone contact Orci and Kurtzman!

They do need to cover all bases, so a decision is needed as to whether it's a gay Sulu or Checkov! Sulu is such a badass with that sword! Checkov is such a cutie with that accent and curls!

Rand...hmmm! There's an undeveloped character one can do scads with! Since we know nothing about her, why not make her...Pike's daughter! Brings him into the fold. I love Pike, always have, felt badly when he suffered his injuries, in the original timeline! Rand is hinted at coming from a line of Starfleet officers...how about Archer's granddaughter. Gosh! I love Scott Bakula! It would be nice to have some crossover in the next movie, especially since the dog is hinted at!

I'm still trying to figure out where Gaila went! Anybody know? She's got a bone to pick with Kirk!

About Carol Marcus! Before ST: WOK, ok, where the hell did she come from? There was so much unexplained in that movie...I didn't like it! And that one led to the third movie that I fell asleep during! I don't think I even bought the movie! I'm pretty sure I don't have either of them on DVD...and won't!

The next movie definitely needs Klingons, though! I've got a thing for Klingons! Maybe a younger Chang! Or the Borg! Definitely need bad guys! Really, really bad guys!

 

[Kegg]

She points out all the reasons she EARNED the assignment she desired. Spock admits he did not assign her to Enterprise because it would appear to be favoritism. Therefore, Spock recognized the relationship would be frowned upon

That is indeed one reading. But I assumed (and still do) his favouritism referred to the fact she was his star pupil, not that they're in a relationship. That's the significance of the turbolift scene; the unacted on sexual tension they may have had prior to this point comes simmering to the fore. The latter scene doesn't make much sense to me otherwise.

And I still want Chapel in the sequel, I'd just prefer it they acknowledged her background in biological research, archaeology, paleobiology and any other -ology we can tenuously link to Korby's area of expertise rather than 'just' a nurse. Nursing is very worthwhile but in a movie like this it means she'd be stuck in sickbay handing hypos to McCoy. I want Chapel do be her own character.

Screentime is finite. Sulu didn't get the chance this movie to be his own character; I think a cameo or an ensemble role by Chapel is sufficient. I could really only see introducing her as part of a possible romantic triangle, though.

 

[startrekrcks]

I say yes but don't go overboard with the relationship we wouldn't want Uhura to then have little tots.

 

[Agenda]

I say yes but don't go overboard with the relationship we wouldn't want Uhura to then have little tots.

Why not? I'd like to see that, eventually. Maybe in a couple movies.

 

[startrekrcks]

what little tots crying and crying on the Enterprise that would gave Kirk a headache

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Rand is a better bet for a shallow sexual frisson. A 'triangle' between the besotted Rand, flirtatious Kirk, and intiguing Carol Marcus would be a better addition to the B Plot in my view.

Ugh. No love triangles. Trek doesn't have to resort to stupid tricks like that. They have great characters and plenty of potential material with depth and intelligence.

It was completely unprofessional and I do not think Spock is a good person anymore.

That's the biggest problem in this relationship - just how insanely lax is Starfleet, anyway? Maybe they can delicately address this problem in the next movie by implying that Starfleet is only just barely tolerating the shenanigans on the USS: Enterprise. After all, they're big damn heroes now. Maybe that's why they get a pass?

And I'm not concerned that Spock is a "bad person" now because the way I see it, Uhura was probably chasing him all over campus before finally landing her say-EX-xxxy half-alien beau through sheer persistence. She strikes me as a lady who gets what she wants (and pushes Spock around when she isn't getting it.)

 

[Ibex]

NO. I have seen all the "emo-Spock makin' out with the black chick" I ever want to see.

Nah, I didn't mean it/see it that way at all. All I meant is that I don't really see what they had as a romance/relationship...but that doesn't mean I also saw it as Spock toying with Uhura/using her.

I just saw it as her helping him through a difficult time (his mother's death/his planet's destruction) with some affection and sympathy and him being genuinely grateful for it. I didn't see a lot of evidence that he had feelings for her.

Obviously she admired him for his intelligence (as an instructor she could look up to) and was sad to see him in pain over his loss and he appreciated her kindness. I don't see how that indicates they are or could naturally become a full-fledged couple.

The whole idea makes me uncomfortable too. It's like if someone close to me died and a girl I'm friends with embraces me to make me feel better, isn't it kind of unscrupulous for me to hope/expect we're going to develop a romantic relationship based on that?

2. I merely find it curious that the respondent chose to react to only one word in a phrase set apart by quotes.

3. Pauln6 and micron, I have thoroughly enjoyed not only your posts, but the civilized way in which you respect differing opinions. I can only wish others were as you are.

4. A) The Spock/Uhura relationship was an inappropriate instructor/student affair which in most of our universities is against policy and a punishable offense.
B) Spock was aware it was not appropriate, hence he wanted "to avoid the appearance of favoritism" by not posting Uhura to Enterprise.

I am disappointed in some of the people calling themselves Trekkies/Trekkers in this forum.

IDIC, indeed.

You do realize the point of Trek was showing all kinds of people working together to explore space and push beyond themselves, right? The point was to look beyond those things you choose not to, Sector.

Of course, when you say something stupid about a character's color, for which that has nothing to do with anything, it's the fault of the person who noticed your slip-up, right Sector 7?

Lovely.

Also, I find it very interesting that some people don't have problems believing that Uhura would throw herself (inappropriately, no less!) at Spock, but Spock be attracted her?!

Oh, that's just crazy!

I also find it interesting that of all the incarnations of Trek and all the romances that have gone on within the various crews of these ships, often among all kinds of differing varieties of humanoid, now all of sudden people are so very concerned about fraternization rules.

So, to you who have said these things, I ask you to consider why it never even entered your mind that Spock loves her as well, despite the myriad of clues in the movie, including almost saying that very thing to Kirk.

Why is it easier to believe a classy character like Uhura would do anything that wasn't welcomed by Spock, than it is to believe that he feels the same way?

I'm betting if Uhura looked like ScarJo, nobody would have said a thing about "emo Spock makin' out with the white chick"