Gotta disagree. What's the point of rebooting the series if you're just going to stick to what worked before? The new stuff is what's interesting.
Do you want the Spock/Uhura romance to continue in Trek XII?
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Gotta disagree. What's the point of rebooting the series if you're just going to stick to what worked before? The new stuff is what's interesting.
Yes. I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it isn't the central focus. It was not in ST XI and I hope it continues in the next film.
It's not a deal-breaker for me, but while it added an emotional subtext to ST09, I'm not sure what it would add to XII other than to have Uhura fear for Spock's life every time it's in jeopardy (which we already saw in ST09, anyway).
I'd like to see Spock feel pulled in two directions, much like Kirk, between duty and having a relationship. Like Kirk, I think duty would win out. No doubt Spock Prime felt lonely, but this Spock would especially know what he's giving up. Unlike what McCoy accused Spock Prime of in TOS, this Spock does know what to do with a nice warm feeling. It would give him one more thing in common with Kirk. Wed to duty. In a way, it would add poignancy to the character to have him choose duty over potential personal emotional fulfillment. Especially since, unlike Kirk, he has no real love (like the Enterprise).
But, if they decided to continue it in XII, it's all good. A small price to pay to have Trek back.
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Sorry for the double post. Guess I could've double-quoted in one post, but it's two different ideas and responses.
Well, the idea would be to keep what worked before, wouldn't it?
One of those things to me is the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy dynamic. Give Spock a romantic interest, and that whole head-heart-emotion dynamic seems altered. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.There's also nothing that new about it in Trek. Tripper and T'Pol, Odo and Kira, Riker and Troi, Decker and Ilia, Paris and Torres, Chakotay and Seven of Nine, even Scotty and Uhura in TFF and Spock and Valeris in TUC.
Yes. I'm hoping that there's a reason it exists beyond just "luring the female demo into the theater," "riling up the fans" or "defusing all that K/S crap."
The master plan could be to put more emotional strain on Spock via blowing up Vulcan and then positioning Uhura as the character who can be the sounding-board for the scenes in which Spock's increasing emotional imbalance is dramatized. Meaning, to dramatize this character arc, there have to be scenes in which Spock talks and behaves in response to his internal state, and the other character needs to be someone with whom he doesn't just have a professional or even friendship relationship.
The master plan could be to put more emotional strain on Spock via blowing up Vulcan and then positioning Uhura as the character who can be the sounding-board for the scenes in which Spock's increasing emotional imbalance is dramatized. Meaning, to dramatize this character arc, there have to be scenes in which Spock talks and behaves in response to his internal state, and the other character needs to be someone with whom he doesn't just have a professional or even friendship relationship.
Whatever form it takes, the relationship will definitely be the C plot of the sequel. Whether they explore the difficulties of the relationship within the chain of command, how she copes with his lack of emotion, how they deal with a break up etc. Lets face it, it will be only way Uhura actually gets to do anything worthwhile.
We have to get over the historical Spock/Chapel thing. I want to Chapel to do SOMETHING but intruding on the established realtionship would be a waste of time. They need to get her out of sickbay and on a landing party for her to contribute in any meaningful way. Or involve her in a medical crisis that revolves around her research background.
Rand is a better bet for a shallow sexual frisson. A 'triangle' between the besotted Rand, flirtatious Kirk, and intiguing Carol Marcus would be a better addition to the B Plot in my view.
We have to get over the historical Spock/Chapel thing. I want to Chapel to do SOMETHING but intruding on the established realtionship would be a waste of time. They need to get her out of sickbay and on a landing party for her to contribute in any meaningful way. Or involve her in a medical crisis that revolves around her research background.
Rand is a better bet for a shallow sexual frisson. A 'triangle' between the besotted Rand, flirtatious Kirk, and intiguing Carol Marcus would be a better addition to the B Plot in my view.
Uhura was kissing Spock to console him after his mother died. That was fine. It made sense. They also did it to make Kirk jealous because he kept hitting on her. Kirk got the message. He won't hit on Uhura again, and obviously Spock's mother isn't going to die again. Moving forward, there's no reason for the suggestion of anything romantic between the two characters ever again.
Tough question... my ideas of what nuSpock should become in this timeline are jumbled.
I sort-of want to see him grow towards realizing that a severing of his emotions (becoming a more TOS type Spock) would be best for him so an ending of their relationship would seem the right thing to do, but that becomes a rehashing of TOS Spock.
On the other hand, remember the reason Vulcan's strive to control their emotions in the first place? Spock not endeavoring to control his emotions could have negative consequences on his psyche - he could end up in the Federation Funny Farm, or worse.
I cannot say I would relish seeing him on a path to destruction however, that does seem to be the most interesting way to go with him so yes, keep the relationship but allow it to have adverse effects.
I sort-of want to see him grow towards realizing that a severing of his emotions (becoming a more TOS type Spock) would be best for him so an ending of their relationship would seem the right thing to do, but that becomes a rehashing of TOS Spock.
On the other hand, remember the reason Vulcan's strive to control their emotions in the first place? Spock not endeavoring to control his emotions could have negative consequences on his psyche - he could end up in the Federation Funny Farm, or worse.
I cannot say I would relish seeing him on a path to destruction however, that does seem to be the most interesting way to go with him so yes, keep the relationship but allow it to have adverse effects.
I have hard time understanding your logic Pauln6. You want to put an intelligent, committed and logical relationship like Uhura/Spock on the C plot? And you are looking forward/wishing for the shallow sexual "triangles" such as Rand/Kirk/Markus shaping the B plot? What is the theme of the A plot then - glorifying superficiality over intelligence? promiscuity over commitment?
to Too Much Fun - pardon me but for someone like spock loosing his mother and the planet is not a 2 hour thing to get it over with. You are painting him as an insensitive jerk playing around with uhura's feelings. I see Spock foremost as a man of integrity and sensitivity who would not play around with someone’s emotions. And it is plain in the movie that he has emotions for uhura.
Again, this is NOT the original timeline. Dynamics between the characters will be different. Aside from Vulcan and Amanda, there were also federation ships destroyed by Nero at Vulcan. Who knows what connections our characters had to the people on those ships and in what ways they were affected by that tragedy.
Spock and Uhura are given a chance in this universe to grow together and not in isolation from others around them. They could still have meaningful relationships with other crew members.
to Too Much Fun - pardon me but for someone like spock loosing his mother and the planet is not a 2 hour thing to get it over with. You are painting him as an insensitive jerk playing around with uhura's feelings. I see Spock foremost as a man of integrity and sensitivity who would not play around with someone’s emotions. And it is plain in the movie that he has emotions for uhura.
Again, this is NOT the original timeline. Dynamics between the characters will be different. Aside from Vulcan and Amanda, there were also federation ships destroyed by Nero at Vulcan. Who knows what connections our characters had to the people on those ships and in what ways they were affected by that tragedy.
Spock and Uhura are given a chance in this universe to grow together and not in isolation from others around them. They could still have meaningful relationships with other crew members.
NO. I have seen all the "emo-Spock makin' out with the black chick" I ever want to see. We did not really see a deep relationship between them, rather we saw physical contact. Hopefully Spock will mature and explore logic while learning to control his emotions in the future.
Wasn't the whole point that he didn't do that?
Sorry, ahem. I like Uhura and Spock. They make a fascinating couple. It makes perfect sense that a human woman would be Spock's ideal mate. They can draw parallels between his parents relationship and theirs.
What the fuck does that particular adjective have to do with anything?
Ah no, what I meant was that most sequels do not paint a rosy picture of the relationship they set up in the first film. The problem is usually resolved one way or another by the end e.g. Spiderman 2, Jewel of the Nile, IJ & Crystal Skull etc. As Star Trek involves two central heroes, for the Spock Uhura relationship to be the B plot, we'd have to either leave in the Kirk Spock Uhura triangle, which would be terrible, or relegate Kirk's personal life to the c-plot.
I expect the A-plot to be sci fi, the B-plot to be Kirk developing as a captain and (I hope) meeting and falling for Carol (with kind of a prickly Cary Grant/Katherine Hepburn dynamic).
I want Rand back because we're lacking the recurring women to date but with such a large cast I accept that she is going to be largely superfluous. My take would be to introduce her simply by having her deliver something for Kirk to sign at which point they can imply that they fancy each other by a couple of telling glances. Similarly, when Carol comes on the scene Rand's jealousy can be conveyed with a few poisonous looks. However, I wouldn't want that to be Rand's sole purpose. I accept that the crew dynamic should be different now and I'd like to see her double as an action heroine (which the franchise sorely lacks) so show her as being security trained and attach her to a landing party. If it was me, I'd show her saving Carol's ass just to underscore that at the end of the day, she is starfleet crew and duty comes first.
Thus Spock and Uhura become the C plot, where she struggles to get to grips with him burying his emotions again, albeit I would hope that they both get to shine in the A-plot too.
Are you saying that the writers (in this case the Star Trek writers) are incapable of writing a relationship story that last longer than one movie? Or one that has continuity? Or one that is interesting and fresh.
Spock is ready to explore his human side. In fact, he got permission from his own father when Sarek admitted that he loved Amanda. Spock Prime told him to do what feels right.
Who better to help him in his journey than Uhura as his partner and Kirk/Bones as his friends?
You want to watch the fluff triangle of Rand/Kirk/Markus. But how is that fluff going to help Kirk grow. Or Rand and Markus. Cat fighting for Kirk? Now, this is a set up that dooms relationships and prevents them from moving forward. I will rather take the intelligence and sensitivity of Spock/Uhura relationship with its nuances.
Spock is ready to explore his human side. In fact, he got permission from his own father when Sarek admitted that he loved Amanda. Spock Prime told him to do what feels right.
Who better to help him in his journey than Uhura as his partner and Kirk/Bones as his friends?
You want to watch the fluff triangle of Rand/Kirk/Markus. But how is that fluff going to help Kirk grow. Or Rand and Markus. Cat fighting for Kirk? Now, this is a set up that dooms relationships and prevents them from moving forward. I will rather take the intelligence and sensitivity of Spock/Uhura relationship with its nuances.
Lol - well, it's not my fault - I was rooting for Marion Ravenwood to be in the first Indiana Jones sequel - she was awesome and they wrote in some other bimbo love interest instead. Hollywood has a tradition of not wanting to show stable, settled long term relationships in sequels. Uhura is far more likely to die than she is to settle down and have children - that's just the way Hollywood writers seem to work.
Come up with some examples of where they continued to explore an ongoing relationship in a bockbuster movie and lets see how many examples we have.
Plus this isn't a soap opera or a chick flick, it's action sci fi. Any relationships we get have to chime in with the main sci fi plot or they become a distraction. So what do we have to explore with Spock and Uhura's relationship that will chime in with the main sci plot?
1. His inability to express emotion and/or her level of understanding that this is what vulcans are all about?
2. His ongoing trauma?
3. The fact that his sperm is needed to repopulate his species but he's a skanky half-breed so who'd want him?
4. What if he lets his extremely intense emotions and by extension feelings for Uhura to interfere with command decisions involving her deployment?
5. What if he lets his extremely intense emotions and by extension feelings for Uhura to inflict violence upon her like he did with Kirk?
I agree that there is a lot of stuff to explore but none of it involves him giving her vulcan acupressure while she cooks him a bowl of plomek soup.
Overall, yes, I don't want Spock and Uhura to dominate the sequel and I don't think they will. I fully expect Kirk to get a love interest and I fully expect that to be given more coverage than Spock/Uhura. On the other hand I'd be livid if they killed her and I DO want to see their relationship explored further.
Although I really enjoy debating with you I hope other members will join us with their opinions as well 
You want a blockbuster example of an ongoing relationship. I will give you one. Transformers. Although this relationship is not nuanced as Spock/Uhura is. The Star Trek writers have an opportunity to show us how ongoing relationships can fit into sequels and how they can be successfully developed. You want to deny them that opportunity?
By the way, you seem to be talking from both sides of your mouth and contradicting yourself in the process to a degree that is uncomfortable. You say:
Plus this isn't a soap opera or a chick flick, it's action sci fi. Any relationships we get have to chime in with the main sci fi plot or they become a distraction. So what do we have to explore with Spock and Uhura's relationship that will chime in with the main sci plot?
Yet in another breath you say:
I fully expect Kirk to get a love interest and I fully expect that to be given more coverage than Spock/Uhura.
Your posts indicate bigotry that is disturbing. If you wish to watch Kirk in a relationship (fluff or not) that is fine, but please do not deny my right to wish and ask for a Spock/Uhura relationship that is not relegated to a dustbin.
Oh, I just thought of a better example of a continuing blockbuster relationship. Star Wars: Han and Leia.
You want a blockbuster example of an ongoing relationship. I will give you one. Transformers. Although this relationship is not nuanced as Spock/Uhura is. The Star Trek writers have an opportunity to show us how ongoing relationships can fit into sequels and how they can be successfully developed. You want to deny them that opportunity?
By the way, you seem to be talking from both sides of your mouth and contradicting yourself in the process to a degree that is uncomfortable. You say:
Plus this isn't a soap opera or a chick flick, it's action sci fi. Any relationships we get have to chime in with the main sci fi plot or they become a distraction. So what do we have to explore with Spock and Uhura's relationship that will chime in with the main sci plot?
Yet in another breath you say:
I fully expect Kirk to get a love interest and I fully expect that to be given more coverage than Spock/Uhura.
Your posts indicate bigotry that is disturbing. If you wish to watch Kirk in a relationship (fluff or not) that is fine, but please do not deny my right to wish and ask for a Spock/Uhura relationship that is not relegated to a dustbin.
Oh, I just thought of a better example of a continuing blockbuster relationship. Star Wars: Han and Leia.
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