I don't believe TOS used multiple passes for models. That's the domain of motion control. If they did, I don't recall reading that anywhere.
do you think TOS should have been remastered?
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My answer to the original Thread question, Should Star Trek have been remastered?
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Correct--bur even under display lighting, one cannot escape the strong impression of the 1701 being a real, physical object of great size. Under studio lighting/camera conditions, it would be beyond fantastic. Still, spockboy's work is fantastic and completely renders the CG work as more cartoony than ever before.
Ahh, must be thinking of TNG/DS9's way of doing it.
Even so, it's not bad for one generic publicity pass outside of proper filming conditions.
Agreed. The only thing that throws it a little off for me is the conning tower shadow on the hull of the Enterprise.
Well of course...in the 60s. After stuff like Space:1999 and Star Wars, then BSG of course, they were totally out of date already just a mere 7-8 years after.
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I'm going to say this for the remastered material and this is after reviewing differences on youtube: Things are a lot more distant. Detail when they show close ups are great, but things on screen are TINY. They tried to keep things in perspective I believe, and a ship that filled up the whole viewscreen would be practically nose to nose with the Enterprise is what I guess they were thinking. What winds up happening instead is you look at the view screen and go "Huh? Yeh, that kinda looks like a Klingon ship."
I guess that is one area I could have done with a little less realism. And the Nova shot spoken of previously was impressive, but the world getting wiped out by the shockwave is this little marble being taken out. Put things in perspective even more when you think about it, but a closer shot would have been nice.
To be clear I LOVE the remastered stuff, but that would be my one gripe.
I guess that is one area I could have done with a little less realism. And the Nova shot spoken of previously was impressive, but the world getting wiped out by the shockwave is this little marble being taken out. Put things in perspective even more when you think about it, but a closer shot would have been nice.
To be clear I LOVE the remastered stuff, but that would be my one gripe.
Just bumped into this on Youtube. It looks a bit nicer than I remember.
This has been an interesting (if at times slightly heated) thread. My own view, like others, is that we should have access to both versions.
But here's an interesting question: costume designer Bill Theiss has clearly stated in interviews that Kirk's, Sulu's and Chekov's uniforms were meant to be green but that they photographed gold. He apparently accepted that as an unavoidable film stock issue. When Kirk wear's his dress uniform or the tunic 'wrap', it's clear that these are the green Theiss wanted in the first place. So, since the remastering had already changed certain elements of the original ships, movements etc, could one make an argument for correcting the "wrong" gold uniform color since this was his intent?
But here's an interesting question: costume designer Bill Theiss has clearly stated in interviews that Kirk's, Sulu's and Chekov's uniforms were meant to be green but that they photographed gold. He apparently accepted that as an unavoidable film stock issue. When Kirk wear's his dress uniform or the tunic 'wrap', it's clear that these are the green Theiss wanted in the first place. So, since the remastering had already changed certain elements of the original ships, movements etc, could one make an argument for correcting the "wrong" gold uniform color since this was his intent?
Except they could've fixed that heading into season three when they created new uniforms for the cast. I believe the material in season three is different. If they wanted it changed, they would've done so then.
Also, James Cawley of Star Trek: New Voyages, said he inherited some of the material for the uniforms from Bill Theiss, and said they were gold. IIRC.
I don't remember his handle here, but @GSchnitzer worked with him and may have more information.
I don't remember his handle here, but @GSchnitzer worked with him and may have more information.
That is kind of also like asking why the remastered project did not turn the upper bridge monitors it video screens, rather than just big picture frames. To have color corrected the uniforms in all the episodes would have required a bigger budget.
But do not forget DS9s Tribbles episode where Bashir asked Sisko and OBrien if they had the wrong colors on, and Sisko replied that in the 2260s engineering officers wore red, while command wore gold.
I don't think that really applies here.
It does, since apparently in universe the uniforms were gold, red and blue, not green, red and blue.
They were just going with what everyone was used to. It would have been terrible for them to have green command uniforms when they look gold in the show that they are celebrating.
But again, in a quote from Theiss: "the command shirts were definitely green".
Again, he intended - wanted - the command color to be green - not gold. This is why the dress uniform and and tunic are green.
And respectfully, there was never video in the screens on the bridge so its not like adding video to them because video was never there. I will concede that changing the color of the three uniform shirts (plus guest stars of course) would add to the remastering budget.
Red Green and Blue were the colors easiest to reproduce on color tvs back in the 60's. They were designed to show these colors quite well. Its not exactly a stretch to assume that's why Theiss chose them.
I was just asking from a "fix something that we couldn't fix back then" perspective. I actually prefer the gold and found the "correct" green of the command and tunic to be weird.
Again, he intended - wanted - the command color to be green - not gold. This is why the dress uniform and and tunic are green.
And respectfully, there was never video in the screens on the bridge so its not like adding video to them because video was never there. I will concede that changing the color of the three uniform shirts (plus guest stars of course) would add to the remastering budget.
Red Green and Blue were the colors easiest to reproduce on color tvs back in the 60's. They were designed to show these colors quite well. Its not exactly a stretch to assume that's why Theiss chose them.
I was just asking from a "fix something that we couldn't fix back then" perspective. I actually prefer the gold and found the "correct" green of the command and tunic to be weird.
If that was what he truly wanted, then he would have fixed it going into season three. When new uniforms were made for the cast.
From what I've seen of the uniforms, there is a hint of green to them. But they look far more gold, even in photos.
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/3rd-season-command-uniforms.279733/#post-11513655
There's another thread about the uniforms as well, that I can't seem to find at the moment.
1st/2nd season velour on the left, 3rd season diamond weave double knit on the right. In truth, the two colors are a little bit closer to each other than these 50-year-old swatches might seem to indicate. (They used to be closer.) The gold has faded to a brighter yellow, and the avocado has faded to a slightly darker greenish color.
There's another thread about the uniforms as well, that I can't seem to find at the moment.
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